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Subject: Re: [WATTS] WATTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 17
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. John Watts, Iredll Co., NC>Maury Co., TN & Patience Young
> (Robert Foster)
> 2. Re: John Watts, Iredll Co., NC>Maury Co., TN & Patience Young
> (Val Van Zee)
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> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:01:52 -0500
> From: "Robert Foster" <>
> Subject: [WATTS] John Watts, Iredll Co., NC>Maury Co., TN & Patience
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> Has anyone ever come across the John Watts who was the son of James Watts
> and Mary (Bartholomew?) of Iredell Co., NC? John is listed in James Watts
> will which references his "Tennessee lands" in 1793. This apparently
> refers to holdings in Maury Co. as the will is on file there and John
> Watts appears in Maury Co. court documents as late as 1815. After that he
> disappears and is presumed to have died. To date there appears to be no
> knowledge of a marriage or children.
> There is some uncertainty as to where these Iredell Co. Watts originated.
> Some say Pennsylvania, others northern Virginia, still others Maryland.
> There is even speculation they came straight from Scotland.
> Of related interest is the Patience Young who witnessed James Watts' will.
> She appears to have been the Patience Sinclair who married William Young
> in Stafford Co., VA. There is a William Young on the 1790, 1800 Iredell
> censuses. There are many other Youngs as well. The Watts and Youngs were
> listed in the same church congregation in Iredell Co. Could this be a clue
> about the origins of these Watts? How do these Youngs relate to James
> Watts? I?ve seen Young-Watts connections in Hickman Co., TN, Sumner Co.,
> TN (James Watts m. Martha Young and moved to Madison Co., MO), and
> apparently in Tishomingo Co., MS.
> Is northern Virginia where these Watts came from?
> I have a working theory that Capt. James Watts (Madison Co., MO), Reuben
> Watts (Sumner, TN and Logan Co., KY) and Lewis Watts (Sumner Co., TN and
> Giles Co., TN) are all children of Robert Watts and Susannah Lewis who
> married in Culpeper Co., VA in 1791. There is a Robert Watts who was
> bondsman for James Watts in Sumner Co. On the 1830 Sumner census there is
> a woman aged 60-70 in his household who may be his mother. I don?t think
> the Richard Watts in Pittsylvania could be their son because his age, but
> could he be a sibling of Robert?s?
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:42:59 -0500
> From: "Val Van Zee" <>
> Subject: Re: [WATTS] John Watts, Iredll Co., NC>Maury Co., TN &
> Patience Young
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> Hi Robert,
> JOHN WATT(S), son of James and Mary (Bartholomew?) Watt died as a resident
> of Iredell County between May 1818 and November 1819:
> John Watt(s), was born about 1762/74. He left an Iredell County will dated
> May 1818, and proved Nov 1819; all to friend Robert Simonton, Sheriff of
> Iredell County on provision that he will make use of every legal chance to
> recover a tract of land in TN on waters of Duck River unjustly seized by
> brothers and sisters and in their possession, papers in hand of Felix
> of that state and conduct a suit against John White and others.
> 1800 Salisbury, Iredell Co., NC, p. 20: John Watts 1 male 26-44; no
> residing next door to William Watts [prob his brother]
> 1810 Iredell Co., NC, p. 42,: John Watts 26-44, no other males//no
> 2 slaves
> I haven't looked into a possible connections between James Watt of Iredell
> County and the Young family. I have never observed a relationship between
> the two in my research, I suspect they were simply neighbors. I do have
> pretty substantial circumstantial evidence that the Watts were in
> County, PA prior to migrating to North Carolina... that is if you accept
> that James Watt was the brother of William Watt who had arrived on Fourth
> Creek (now Statesville, Iredell County) a few years before James arrived
> there, which I do accept. Though I have not placed James (husband of Mary
> Bartholomew?) there, in some early genealogies I've seen, it was reported
> that their eldest son was born there on 27 September 1754. Perhaps because
> of lack of proof this seems to have been dropped on most more recent
> genealogies. Be that as it may, here is what my research has shown so far.
> "James Watt along with the Morrison families and William Carson were among
> the first settlers on Third Creek in the present town of Statesville, NC
> the 1750s. His brother, William, had already settled on Fourth Creek prior
> to this. A Grandville land grant dated 21 Dec 1761 [warrant dated 24 Jan
> 1761] entitled James to 696 acres on Third Creek in Rowan County, adj. Wm
> Carson, William Stephenson, where it is believed he had been living for
> several years." ["Heritage Book Iredell County", pp. 249 & 537.]
> James', brother, William Watt was first married to Jean/Janet Allison
> 1743/5. Jean/Janet was the daughter of James and Rebecca Allison of
> Twp., Lancaster Co., PA where James Allison died in 1762 and Rebecca in
> 1764. William Watt was living in Lancaster Co., PA in 1746.
> 1746 May 29, John Morrison assigns William Campbell (a servant from
> in the ship Katherine) to William Watt of Lancaster Co, yeomen, for three
> years and a half, Consideration 5/:, customary dues. [Servants and
> Apprentices Bound and Assigned Before James Hamilton Mayor of Phil., 1745,
> Emigrants to Pennsylvania, 1641-1819, p. 123;
> Will of James Allison, father of Anna Allison DeFrance
> Recorded -- Lancaster Co., Deeds, 1762-B-Vol 1, Pg 417
> James Allison Deceased
> IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN I James Allison of the township of Donegall and
> County of Lancaster being week in Body But of Sound mind and mimory and
> Calling to mind that it is appointed for all men once to Die Do make and
> ordain this my last will and Testament first of all I Reccommand my Soul
> God that Give it and my Body I Comite to the Earth to be buried In a
> Christian and decent manner at the discrastion of my Executors hereafter
> mentioned nothing doubting but I shall receive the same again by the
> Power of God by the interfusion of Jesus Christ my only Saviour, as to
> wordly goods it hath Pleased God to bestow on me in this life I give and
> dispose of the Same in the manner and form following viz.
> [.........] Is is my will that all my Just Debts and funeral Charges be
> out of the first part of my personall Estate.
> Item I leave and bequeath to my Beloved wife REBEKAH Allison the third
> of my personall Estate and hir mintsinane on the Place During hir Life or
> the third of of the Profits of Said Place Item I leave and bequeath to my
> son James Allison three hundred acres of Said Land and Plantation I now
> on Including my house Barn and Improvement to be laid off next to my
> John Allison land the Remander of my land I order and allow my
> Exes. to sell and Dispose of to the best advantage they can with the Place
> over the hill to pay off the Legacis hereafter mentioned. Item I leave and
> bequeth to my two nephews James DeFrance and John DeFrance sons of my
> daughter Anna DeFrance forty shillings to each of them
> Item I leave and bequeth to my Doughter JANET WATT five shillings beside
> three Pounds fifteen Shillings that hir Husband WILLIAM WATT received from
> Robert White that was due to me
> Item I leave and bvequeth to my Doughter Margret Bowman forty shillings
> I leave and bequeth to my doughter Sarah Allison forty Pounds a horse and
> Sadle bed and bed clouse Item I leave and bequeth to my Doughter Rebekah
> Allison forty pounds with a horse and sadle bed and bed clouse it is my
> that the above Legicis be paid when the above Land is
> Sold and the money Received for the same the Remainder of my estate I
> to my Son James Allison after the above Legesus is paid I do hereby
> and appont my beloved wife Rebekah Allison and my son James Allison Sole
> Executors of this my last Will and testament Revoking and Dissnuling all
> other Wills by me made Ratifying and Confirming this only as my Last Will
> and Testament in willness whereof I [.....] hereunto Sett my hand and
> Seal this 31st Day of August 1762. It is further my will that if Ether my
> son James Allison Sarah Allison or Rebecca Allison my Doughter Whould be
> Removed by Death before they are maried there part to be Equally Davided
> Between the other two other that Survives
> Don before Sining.
> James Allison (seal)
> The words Son and Pay interlind before signing Signed Sealed
> Published and Declared by James Allison the testator In Pressence
> Jon. Allison
> Nichlas X (his mark) Cleland
> John Machon
> Will of Rebecca Allison-- Lancaster Co., Wills, 1764-B-Vol 1, Pg 420
> IN THE NAME OF GOD AMEN January the tenth 1764 I Rebekah Allison being
> of Body but of sound and perfect [........] power of God and as to what
> worldly Goods it hath pleased God to bestow on me in this life I give and
> Dispose of the same in the manner and form following [...] It is my will
> that all my Just Debts and funeral expenses be paid Likewise I leave and
> bequeth to my two youngest daughters Sarah and Rebekah all my clouse and
> wearing apparall to be equally devided between them likewise I leave and
> bequeth to my two daughters Sarah and Rebekah Allison twenty pounds Each
> them to be paid in 2 years after my Decease of if any of them Should be
> married before to be paid at the time of there marriage likewise I leave
> my two daughters JEAN WATT and Margret Bowman each a black [gown?] such as
> my son James thinks proper to give them of [desired?] likewise I leave to
> two nephews James DeFrance and John DeFrance five pounds each of them to
> paid by my son James when they come of age likewise I leave and bequeth to
> my son James Allison all the remainder of my Estate after the above
> are all paid and I do hereby nominate and appoint my son James Allison and
> my bother John Allison sole executors of this my last will and testament
> Disanuling all other wills by me and ratifying and confirming this only as
> my Last will and Testament in wittness whereof I have sett my hand and
> this Day and year above written Sealed and acknowledged before. Rebekah
> Allison seal John Machon William X [.....] his mark John A Jun. Lancaster
> County fs. on the second day of October Anno Domini 1764 before me
> subscriber personally appeared the within named William [C.....] and John
> Junior two of the subscribing witnesses to the within will on their
> oaths did depose and say that they were present and saw and heard Rebecca
> Allison the testatrix within named sign seal publish pronounce and declare
> the within writing as and for her Last will and Testament and that at the
> doing thereof she was of sound mind and well disposing mind memory and
> understanding to the best of their knowledge Observation and befief. Edwd.
> Sippen Dy. Rr.
> Jean/Janet (Allison) Watt's brother, James, died in Pennsylvania in 1776,
> without children:
> April 24, Wednesday 
> Today was proved the will of James Allison of Donegal Township:
> He left 500 pounds to his sister Sarah Allison; and to his nephew James
> DeFrance he left 400 pounds, his silver watch, and half his wearing
> To nephew John DeFrance, he left 400 pounds, "my rifle and Phuzee guns"
> the other half of the wearing apparel.
> To his "nees" Jane Kilwell, ".daugher of my sister Rebekah" he left 100
> The balance was to be sold and divided between the sons and daughters of
> sisters JANET WATT and Margaret Bowman in North Carolina. . .
> The Allison family had been residing in Donegal Twp., since before 1728
> it was still in Chester County. So, it can be reasonably conjectured that
> William Watt who married Jane/Janet about 1743/5 most probably met her in
> Lancaster Co., PA:
> John Allison, father of James, recorded a will dated 6 Nov 1728 at which
> time he was of Donnegall in what was then the county of Chester, PA,
> [The following year the township in Donegal was part of what became the
> county of Lancaster.] On 5 Apr 1747 another will was written at which time
> John was of Derry Twp., Lancaster Co., PA., in it he mentions: 1) "whereas
> my son James is now absent from me"; 2) "when my place is sold in
> This will was proven on 15 May 1747. This second will is probably for the
> son of John who died in Dongell twp in 1728/9.
> An interesting side notes about some descendants of "Nichlas Cleland"
> witness to the will of James Allison (d1762):
> Nichlas/Nicholas' son, John McCleland (carpenter) married Margaret Watt,
> daughter of William and Jean/Janet (Allison) Watt in Rowan Co., North
> Carolina abt 1776.
> Nichlas/Nicholas' grandson, John McCleland (saddler) married Rebecca
> Watt(s), daughter of James and Mary (Bartholomew?) Watt in Iredell Co., NC
> abt 1807.
> According to Robert Ramsey in his "Carolina Cradle", the Watt family was
> Maryland prior to going to Pennsylvania. (I have not been able to
> verify this, one of these days I'm going to get over to Chapel Hill to
> search the John Abner Harris, papers which are quite extensive.)
> ?The Watt family was in Kent and St. Marys counties, Maryland, befoe
> (Footnote: The Maryland Calendar of Wills, 8 vols., comp. and ed. Jane
> (Baldwin) Cotton, Baltimore: Kohn and Pollock, Inc., 1904-28), III, 189,
> 151, 155, 184; Colonial Land Grant Records of NC, State Library, Raleigh,
> NC, VI, 232, 235; Family data Watt[s], in John Abner Harris Papers,
> Historical Collection, University of NC, Chapel Hill, NC.)" ). "William
> James Watt, probably brothers, made their way to Carolina by way of the
> Cumberland Valley." (Footnote: Family data (Watt(s), Bowman, Allison),
> Harris Papers; Cumberland County Register's Dockets, Clerk's Office,
> Cumberland County Courthouse, Carlisle, PA, A. 93) ["Carolina Cradle", by
> Robert W. Ramsey, University of North Carolina, 1964, p. 94].
> "At least a dozen additional pioneers removed to the Fourth Creek
> from Lancaster County. James Roseborough was an inhabitant of the
> Paxtang-Derry-Donegal area after 1745. (Footnote: Notes and Queries,
> Historical, Biographical and Genealogical, Relating Chiefly to Interior
> Pennsylvania, 3 ser. [12 vols.], ed. William H. Egle [Harrisburg:
> Publishing Co.; Rowan Deeds, III, 492). "The three Simontons migrated from
> Paxtang or Conestoga Township, and John Allison either from adjacent Derry
> or from Octoraro Creek settlement" (Footnote: Rowan Deeds, II, 149;
> Lancaster County Will Books, Clerk's Office Lancaster, PA, J-1, 4; Rowan
> Wills, A, 157, C 178; also see pp. 52-53, 65 above). "Hugh and William
> Bowman were closely associated with the Watt and Allison families in the
> Cumberland Valley. Hugh Bowman and William Watt were married to two of the
> daughters of James Allison, who died in the Cumberland Valley in 1762
> (Footnote: Family data (Watt(s), Bowman, Allison), Harris Papers; NC Land
> Grants, VI 103; tombstone of William Bowman in Thyatira Cemetery). [Ibid.,
> Ramsey, p. 99].
> Valentine (Val) Van Zee
> 5th great granddaughter of James and Mary (Bartholomew?) Watt
> in Hendersonville, NC
> From: "Robert Foster" <>
> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 12:01 PM
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> Subject: [WATTS] John Watts, Iredll Co., NC>Maury Co., TN & Patience Young
>> Has anyone ever come across the John Watts who was the son of James Watts
>> and Mary (Bartholomew?) of Iredell Co., NC? John is listed in James Watts
>> will which references his "Tennessee lands" in 1793. This apparently
>> refers to holdings in Maury Co. as the will is on file there and John
>> Watts appears in Maury Co. court documents as late as 1815. After that he
>> disappears and is presumed to have died. To date there appears to be no
>> knowledge of a marriage or children.
>> There is some uncertainty as to where these Iredell Co. Watts originated.
>> Some say Pennsylvania, others northern Virginia, still others Maryland.
>> There is even speculation they came straight from Scotland.
>> Of related interest is the Patience Young who witnessed James Watts'
>> She appears to have been the Patience Sinclair who married William Young
>> in Stafford Co., VA. There is a William Young on the 1790, 1800 Iredell
>> censuses. There are many other Youngs as well. The Watts and Youngs were
>> listed in the same church congregation in Iredell Co. Could this be a
>> about the origins of these Watts? How do these Youngs relate to James
>> Watts? I?ve seen Young-Watts connections in Hickman Co., TN, Sumner Co.,
>> TN (James Watts m. Martha Young and moved to Madison Co., MO), and
>> apparently in Tishomingo Co., MS.
>> Is northern Virginia where these Watts came from?
>> I have a working theory that Capt. James Watts (Madison Co., MO), Reuben
>> Watts (Sumner, TN and Logan Co., KY) and Lewis Watts (Sumner Co., TN and
>> Giles Co., TN) are all children of Robert Watts and Susannah Lewis who
>> married in Culpeper Co., VA in 1791. There is a Robert Watts who was
>> bondsman for James Watts in Sumner Co. On the 1830 Sumner census there is
>> a woman aged 60-70 in his household who may be his mother. I don?t think
>> the Richard Watts in Pittsylvania could be their son because his age, but
>> could he be a sibling of Robert?s?
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