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From: "Mike & Kelley Badgerow" <>
Subject: [WHITMAN] WHITEMAN / WHIGHTMAN Arimgers
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:51:10 -0500


Discovering the Grantee of the WHITEMAN Arm reaveals the following. Resources are presented by Melvyn with some explaination. Don't feel alone about wanting the COA to be "ours", I also would like to say it is apart of my "family heritage" as well. .

My original email enquiry. ---

After I found out that "The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales" by Sir Bernard Burkes was noted to inaccurate and such sometimes. I also was hoping for a refrence that would show the two WHITEMAN's these two COAs were granted to.... Well the hopes was lost ;(

In Fox-Davies "Armorial Families"
I know that family research and heraldry don't blend to well sometimes, but not knowing whom an arms was granted will hurt more then not... When I requested a look up in Burke's Armory for WHITMAN, it came out with the surname being WHITEMAN with no grantee or location given.. with this one must start wondering things of accuracy.

So if you could pass this request to whom every has possesion of this book, could you please ask for the WHITEMAN entry in it. Burkes Gen Armory gives two WHITEMANs with the same sheild different crests.

Thank You for your time and patients with a newbie

KK



Here is is findings and response ----
Dear Kelley,

I have these books and have researched your questions for you.

The arms given for WHITEMAN in Burke's "General Armory" have the blazon Per fess Or ( gold ) and Sable (black ) a maunch ( a lady's sleeve ) counterchanged. As you say, there are two entries with the same arms but different crests, which usually means branches of the same family. Remember that the "General Armory" includes many arms which were used but not properly granted ( see explaination below ), so there is nothing to suggest from these entries that these particular arms were the subject of a grant.

Papworth's "Ordinary" gives this blazon as belonging to WHITEMAN and to WIGHTMAN, Burback, co.Leicester. A similar blazon but with the tinctures argent ( silver / white ) and sable ( black ) is given for WIGHTMAN, Scotland. I cannot find this in the list of grants by the Lord Lyon. The entry for WIGHTMAN co.Leicester in the General Armory tells us that the WIGHTMAN/WHITEMAN blazon was recorded in the Visitation of Nottinghamshire 1614 as belonging to Thomas WIGHTMAN of Stoke in the reign of James I, descended from Thomas WIGHTMAN of Burbage in the reign of Henry IV. This explains why there is no mention of a grant.

There is no WHITMAN, WHITEMAN or WIGHTMAN in Fox-Davies' "Armorial Families" or Burke's "Family Records".

There is nothing in any of this to suggest any connection with your family. If you have firm evidence of the blazon being used by one of your ancestors then one could try and track back from there.

What could of happened is that a WHITEMAN / WIGHTMAN and his brother, nephew, Uncle or etc. designed the arms and the two different crests and them but did not register it with the proper authorities., normally this was accomplished during a "visitation" from someone of the "College of Arms". So in order to really know whom bore the arms... it will take an indepth genealogy search and find something ( a letter, a old picture, etc. ) with the Arm / Crest on it drawn up by the actual anscestorial male to give us "proof". This may never be found.... due to time. So in rights, we ( as a WHITEMAN family ) in whole can not bear it and thus call it ours or even say John Whitman #1 or his siblings were right heirs or heiresses of it until we can get some serious digging done in research and prove it one way or the other. ;( Though it certainly is beautiful and the Motto fits this family very well ;)-

KKB
Novice Artist Member of the A.A.H
http://freepages.work.rootsweb.com/~amateurheralds/homepage.html

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