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From: "J.G. Whitney" <>
Subject: [WHITNEY-L] re. Bob Schadewald
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:31:42 GMT


Jo,

You and I have not - up to now - exchanged messages directly, although
I have seen all yours to the WRG go by, and you mine. But I wanted to
express my sympathy at this time, and to let you know that I share a
small part of it, even at this distance. Bob and I exchanged a few
messages back in March 1997, following his "Most Wanted" list in
response to Michael Whitney's appeal. The subject was the co-
incidental appearance of the names PAYSON WHITNEY in his (and your)
ancestry, and in some apparently unconnected English data which I had
come across. Also, further correspondence in August 1997 re. Asa
WHITNEY the railroad builder.

I append below the gist of our exchanges, to serve as a small but, I
believe, apt token to his memory - a tiny example of his work
which will live on in other hands. It seems appropriate to post this
to the Group.

I have just bookmarked Bob's reference to Don Simanek's web site - for
future contemplation!

John Whitney
Oxford, UK.
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 97 11:50:11 -0600
From: Robert Schadewald <>
To: "WHITNEY family genealogy list" <>

Subject: Whitney ancestors

The following Whitney line is for Joanne Hogle and me, down to our great
grandparents:

John-1 WHITNEY and Elinor -----
John-2 WHITNEY and Ruth REYNOLDS
John-3 WHITNEY and Elizabeth HARRIS
Daniel-4 WHITNEY and Susanna CURTIS
Elijah-5 WHITNEY and Hannah -----
John-6 WHITNEY and Mary -----
John-7 WHITNEY and Abigail FOSTER
Henry Payson-8 WHITNEY and Margaret HALL
Julia Ardelle-9 WHITNEY and Rudolph Jacob SETZLER

I own the Bible of John-7 Whitney, and it at least names the entire
male line from John-1 through Henry-8. Unfortunately, no places are
given, and most wive's names are missing. The line has been
well-documented by others down through Daniel-4 Whitney, and his son
Elijah-5 was born in Roxbury. That is where we lose track (at least
until the Roxbury VRs come out). We know that Julia-9 was born "in
Boston," but her father Henry-8 taught school in Maine at some point.

MOST WANTED: Where did Elijah-5, John-6, and John-7 live and die?
Who were Hannah and Mary? Any other info on these people.

Thanks, all.

Bob Schadewald
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 08:36:08 -0600
From: Robert Schadewald <>
To:

Subject: RE: Whitney ancestors

John,

>I have come across an Edward Payson Whitney in London, England in the
>19th C.

Interesting.

>Might there be some connection with your Henry Payson Whitney ?

It is difficult to imagine how, but it almost seems necessary.

>Seems an odd co-incidence!

*Damned* odd! Payson is quite an uncommon name. I just checked the
Minneapolis, Minnesota, phone book, and there is exactly one Payson
listed out of about 630,000 residential listings. (There are more
than 10,000 Johnson listings -- I'm not kidding -- but this is Swede
city!) Moreover, there is a Payson in the Whitney Research Group who
recently posted a message complaining about living people (himself,
in particular) being listed in the huge Whitney database. When I
first joined the WRG and found his name on the roster, I immediately
sent him email asking about his surname and connection with the
Whitneys, but he never responded. Maybe he only sends email when he
is mad.

Bob
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 09:54:13 -0600
From: Robert Schadewald <>
To:

Subject: RE: Whitney ancestors

John,

>I will dig out what I have and send it to you. If you have access to
>IGI you will find him and his kin listed in IGI-UK-London (or Surrey
> - I forget which since Surrey includes London S. of the river
Thames)

Sorry, But I'm really a beginner at this stuff. What is IGI? The
obvious guess is International Genealogical Index, but I'm not
familiar with it, so I guess I don't have access.

Bob
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Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:32:23 -0600
From: Robert Schadewald <>
To:

John,

>Got it in one! It is the Great Index (30 million names or something,
>but not a patch on MacDonalds!) compiled by the Church of LDS
>(Mormons) of Salt Lake City.

Right. I have heard of that before, but my brain was not completely
in gear..

>Also there are LDS Family History Centers all over the place in
>UK and USA where you can see them. It is a n incredible source of
genealogical information - well worth a visit.

Yes, there is one about 20 miles away. I was there several years ago,
before I was interested in genealogy, trying to dig up information on
some obscure folks I am interested in. I plan to revisit it soon.

BTW, I see you are in physics. Don't know whether you are interested
in skeptical issues or not, but Don Simanek, a physicist friend of
mine, has a great Web site for such things at:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/

He has some of my stuff posted -- "Bob Schadewald's Corner" --
including my paper revealing to the public the Schadewald Gravity
Engine, which is only (ahem!) the *greatest* perpetual motion machine
ever invented.

Bob
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From:OXATM::WHITNEY 4-MAR-1997 09:15:56.68
To:
CC:WHITNEY
Subj:Edward Payson WHITNEY

Bob,

I looked up Edward Payson WHITNEY but I only have the following info:

Edward Payson WHITNEY, born 19th Oct. 1854 at 118 Tachbrook Street,
Westminster, Middlesex [England];
Father: Edward Payson Whitney;
Mother: Josephine nee Stickney;
Father's occupation = pistol maker.

I thought I had more - I don't know why he immediately came to mind
when I saw your message. My memory must be better than I suspected -
I recorded the info. in 1989!

..............

John
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From:OXATM::WHITNEY 4-MAR-1997 14:00:04.84
To:SMTP%""
CC:WHITNEY
Subj:Re: Edward Payson WHITNEY

Bob,

Mmmmm...

Next time I get the opportunity I will look at the Middlesex Census
for this area (1851)(1861). If I find an entry, it should give the
age and birthplace for EPW senior.

John
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:15:46
From: Robert Schadewald <>
To:

Subject: Re: re. famous Whitneys ...

John,

Thanks for the notes about Asa Whitney. Ultimately, I think Congress did
approve giving the railroads strips of land about ten miles wide. They got
a lot of acreage out of it, anyway.

>I wonder if there is a biography of him?

My first instinct, of course, is to check HOLLIS, the online catalog of the
Harvard library for subject = whitney, asa. I append the result, which I
think explains better than anything else why I lament the lack of an
equivalent resource in the U.K., where so many of the people who interest
me once lived.

Bob
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TITLE: Imperial Atlantic and Pacific Railroad [microform].
PUB. INFO: [London, Trelawny Saunders, Colonial Publisher, 1851]
DESCRIPTION: 4 p. 21 cm.
NOTES: Includes extracts from the New York Tribune and the
Pennsylvania
Inquirer pertaining to Asa Whitney.
Caption-title.
Master microform held by: ResP.
INDEXES: References: Storm, Catalogue of the Everett D. Graff
Collection,
no. 2094

AUTHOR: Brown, Margaret Louise, 1902-
TITLE: Asa Whitney and his Pacific railroad publicity
campaign / by Margaret L. Brown.
PUB. INFO: [Cedar Rapids, Iowa : The Torch press, 1933]
DESCRIPTION: p. 209-224 ; 26 cm.
NOTES: Cover title.
"Reprinted from the Mississippi valley historical
review, vol. XX, no. 2, Sept., 1933."
Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Michigan, 1931.

AUTHOR: Loomis, Nelson Henry, 1862-1933.
TITLE: Asa Whitney: father of Pacific railroads, by Nelson H.
Loomis
...
PUB. INFO: [Lincoln, Neb., 1912?]
DESCRIPTION: 12 p. 26 cm.
NOTES: Cover-title.
"Reprinted from the Proceedings of the Mississippi
Valley Historical Association, volume VI."


AUTHOR: Plumbe, John, 1809-1857.
TITLE: Memorial against Mr. Asa Whitney's railroad scheme.
[Microform]
PUB. INFO: [Washington] : Buell & Blanchard, printers, [1851]
DESCRIPTION: 48 p. ; 22 cm.
NOTES: Caption title.
"To the honorable the Senate and House of
Representatives of the United States in Congress
assembled." References: Eberstadt no. IV-717.

AUTHOR: United States. Congress. House. Select committee on
the memorial of Asa Whitney relative to the
construction of a railroad from Lake Michigan to the
Pacific Ocean.
TITLE: Railroad to Oregon ... : Report ... [Microform]
PUB. INFO: [Washington : s.n., 1848]
DESCRIPTION: 77 p. ; 22 cm.
SERIES: [House] Report. - [United States], 30th Cong., 1st
sess. ; no. 733
NOTES: Caption title.
"June 23, 1848. Mr. Pollock, from the select committee
to whom the subject was referred, made the following
report." "To accompany H.R. Bill no. 468." References:
Eberstadt no. IV-720.

AUTHOR: United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on Public Lands.
TITLE: Report to accompany bill S. no. 246 [of] the Committee
on Public Lands, to whom were referred a memorial of
sundry citizens of Indiana, praying the construction
of a national railroad from the Mississippi to the
Columbia River, and the memorial of Asa Whitney, ...
for the construction of such road from Lake Michigan
to the Pacific Ocean ... [Microform]
PUB. INFO: [Washington : G.B. Maigne, printer, 1846]
DESCRIPTION: 51 p. : 2 fold. maps ; 24 cm.
SERIES: Senate. [Doc.] - [United States], 29th Cong., 1st
sess. ; [no.] 466
NOTES: Caption title.
References: Eberstadt no. IV-476.

AUTHOR: United States. Congress. House. Committee on Roads and
Canals.
TITLE: Whitney's railroad to the Pacific [microform] : to
accompany bill H.R. no. 156 ...
PUB. INFO: [Washington : s.n., 1850]
DESCRIPTION: 117 p. : fold. map ; 23 cm.
SERIES: United States. Congress. House. Report ; 31st Cong.,
1st sess. no. 140
NOTES: Caption title.
Master microform held by: ResP.
INDEXES: References: Eberstadt no. IV-751

AUTHOR: United States. Congress. House. Committee on Roads and
Canals.
TITLE: Railroad to Oregon ... : report, The Committee on
Roads and Canals, to whom was referredd the memorial
of Asa Whitney, of the state of New York, praying the
appropriation of certain public lands to construct a
railroad from Lake Michigan to the shore of the
Pacific, made the following report.
PUB. INFO: [Washington, D.C.] : Blair & Rives, [1845]
DESCRIPTION: 5, [3] p. ; 26 cm.
SERIES: Rep. / 28th Congress, 2d session, Ho. of Reps. ; no.
199
NOTES: Title from caption. "March 3, 1845, read, and laid
upon the table." "Mr. Owen, from the Committee on
Roads and Canals, made the following report ..." Pages
[6]-[8] are blank.

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