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From: karl h schwerin <>
Subject: Whitneys in Lambeth
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 09:55:06 -0600 (MDT)


Motivated by Robert Ward's excellent analysis of the records pertaining to
John Whitney and his ancestors, I'm posting the following information from
the Lambeth Church parish (across the Thames from Westminster) where his
father Thomas Whitney was resident. The dates here run from 1570-1574
(about 15 years before John (1)'s birth. All of these accounts refer to
another John "Whitney" (could he have been an uncle?). The spellings
here are exactly as they appear in the text. [Note my comments in an
earlier post about the lack of standardized spelling in the 16th century]
Since my e-mail program does not accept superscripts some of the
abbreviations may appear strange, e.g. wch - which, wth - with, qtrs -
quarter's, Md - Made
This material is drawn from __Lambeth Churchwardens accounts, 1504-1645__,
ed. by Charles Drew. Surrey Record Society, number XL. London: 1940.


"Widne" [75 r.]
"The Accompte of Robert Mote gent', Will'm Doret and Matthew Allen
Churchwardens of the parishe of Lamhithe as well of the yerelie Charges
and receites of the saide parishe as also of the sale of certen Copes
(large priest's cape - KHS) and vessmentes withe the taking downe of the
roode lofte, wch were solde by Comandment of the Reverende Father the
busshoppe of winchester, with the Consent and agreement of diverse of the
worshipful parishoners, that is to saie Olyver St John Esquire, John
marwode gent', Tho Duke gent' Richard Pye, Thomas Bullock Curate Thomas
Babes, George Parker and John Widne sidemen, John Cawsten, John Hamonde,
Frances Wilmot Roger Jackson Roberte Rundell and James Marler, all wch
saide parishoners have subscribed theire names and set to theire markes to
the same sale, as apereth upon' the .305. leafe of this booke the xxiiij
of Maie 1570 as there more fullie appereth. And the said Churchwardens do
accompte from Michelmas in Ao D'ni 1569 unto Michelmas in Anno 1570 That
is to saie for one whole yere as Followeth." (p. 99)

"widen / Widden" [76r]
"The receite of the vessmentes and Copes' solde by Consent of the parishe
xxiiijo Maij 1570 as appereth upon' the 305 leafe of this booke

First rec' for the scelinge of the roode lofte solde to John widen' iij
s.
Item for a deske solde to Mr John Marwodexij d.
Item ij streamers solde to Richard Pyeij s. iiij d.
Item for the border of an olde Cope solde to John Widdenvj d.
Item for the borders of the herse Clothe and for the images taken of the
Communion Clothes solde to John Hammondeiiij d. "
. . .

(pp. 100-101)


"widne" [80r)
"Md that upon' the xvth' daie of October 1570 Robert Mote Will'm
Doret and Matthew Allen Churchwardens made there accompte as before is
written' for one whole yere ended at Michelmas Last past 1570 and' then
there remayned in the Churche boxe in redy money
xlix s. x d. (49 shillings, 10 pence - KHS) Item in Mr Olyver St Johns
handes for Copes and vessmentes as apereth before iij li. vij s. iiij d.
(3 pounds, 7 shillings, 4 pence - KHS) and in Bartons hande for one yeres
rente of the Churche Hopes at Michelmas Last past not rec'
xiij s. iiij d. Item in Fraunces Wilmot and John Bagshottes Handes v s.
and xv d. for the stone solde at the writing herof. And so upon the ende
of this accompte there remayned in all dewe to the Churche in redy money
and good debtes vj li. xvj s. ix d. (6 pounds, 16 shillings, 9 pence -
KHS) wch some wth debtes were delyvered over to the newe Churchwardens
whose names ensueth' that is to saie, Will'm Doret Richard' Pye and George
Parker in the presence of theis persons followinge
Mr John Matchet parson'
Mr John Marwode
John Hamonde
Roberte Rundell
Roger Jackson
Edmonde Lewes
Will'm Tegge
Thomas Lewes
Will'm Eston'
George parker
John Fletcher
Roberte Ballard'
Will'm harpam'
Mr Mason
Mr Wodward
Thomas whithede
Thomas Gitten'
John Davis
John widne."(pp. 106-107)


"weden" [87v.]
"Md that the viij daye of November 1573 Roberte mote gent' desesed
Thomas woodall' and Antonye Vaus Church wardens mad theare accompte as
before is wrytten and mad thare accompte for one holle' yeare ended at
mychellmas Laste past in the yeare of ouer lorde 1573 and then theare
remayned in the churche boxe in redye money xj li. vij s. (ll pounds, 7
shillings - KHS) resteth in mrs Rockes handes for parte of the vestmentes. xx s.
Resteth by John Addames for one qters Rentev s.
the summe of all' is xij li. xij s. (12 pounds, 12 shillings - KHS) wch
summe and dettes weare sett over to the newe Churchewardynes whose names
insewe that is to saye Roberte Rundell John Bagshot John flether by the
consent of Thomas Bullocke Curatt and other of the paryshe that is to saye
frauncis willmote
Thomas woodall'
william Dorrett
James Marler
Roger Jacsonne
John stearne
Edward peryne
william' Tegge
Robarte Ballard
John weden
Richard wateres
Nicolas Brymstedwth otheres."(pp. 116-117)


"Weden" [90 r.]
Md than uppon' the xxjth day of Novembar 1574 Robart Rundall' John
Bagshott and John fletchar Churchwardens mayd ther Accompt as before ys
wryttyn' and ther Remayned in the Church box in Redye mony Twelfe pound
Thyrtene shyllynges thre pence
Item owing by Mres St. Jones Excecutorsxx s.
(3) Item Ryst owyng by John Addams five shyllynges (3) all' whych
dettes and Redye mony was delyverd to the new Churchwardens whose names
Ensewyth that ys to say Frances Wyllmott, Wyllm' Dorett, and John fletchar
by the consent of Mr bullock curatt and others of the parrysh as folowyth
(3) Frances Wyllmott (3)
John Hammon
Rogar Jackson'John starne
James Marler.Rogar brymsted.
Robart Rundall'John Weden
John bagshottRychard Webbe
Wyll'm Tegge
John dysher
John hewse."
. . .

(3)(3) Struck through.(p. 121)


Nothing in these accounts excludes Thomas Whitney from being a member of
this parish. The names listed are just those of the principal men of the
parish. Thomas might have been too young, or he could have been a member,
just not taking an active role in the leadership of the parish.


Karl SchwerinSnailMail: Dept. of Anthropology
Univ. of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131
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