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From: "Sherrill U Williams" <>
Subject: Re: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 07:52:41 -0400


Beth, the John Asher who got the original grant was deceased when Charles
Asher, his son transferred the grant to Joab Wilder. No doubt, tho' that
the John & Dillon in KY come from the family in Tennessee. The John Asher
in KY may be a son of John, dec'd - or a son of Charles Asher. Who knows?
Sherrill
-----Original Message-----
From: Adams <>
To: <>
Date: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants


>Hi Sherrill,
>
>Sorry to hear about all the problems!!
>
>The reference that I found at the NGS library was for Joseph Wilder, not
Joab.
>However, when I get a chance, I'll check it out.
>
>Sherrill, there is a John Asher and Dill Asher, assuming that this is old
>Dillion Asher, that appear in the 1800 Knox County Tax List. Could this be
the
>same John Asher who had a son named Charles? John is in Knox County in
1800 and
>1801. Disappears after that. However Dillion is there until 1803. Does
not
>appear in 1804 and 1805, but is back again in 1806. Dillion resides in
Clay
>County in 1807 where he stays. John disappears from Kentucky prior to 1802
and
>is not found in Kentucky. Again Could this be the same John Asher who had
a son
>named Charles?
>
>Phyllis, do you have the listing of the wilders that we found in the North
>Carolina Militia? I'm still trying to find mine. If you have it could you
post
>it for us?
>
>Sherrill, if Joab served in the North Carolina Militia and then deserted to
>become a Tory/Loyalist, that would explain the severe punishment he got
when he
>was tried for desertion and received 25 slashes when the other two people
only
>got 3 or 5 slashes for the same offense, if I remember correctly.
>
>I will be leaving for Kentucky on Friday, just to let you know and I will
return
>sometime the following weekend. Just to let everyone know.
>
>Beth
>
>Sherrill U Williams wrote:
>
>> Beth - the tories were loyalists - loyal to King George of Great Britain
and
>> fought the war on the side of Great Britain, often joining up with their
>> forces. Many of the residents along the North Carolina and South
Carolina
>> border, as well as many of those in Burke Co, NC and in the old
Surry/Wilkes
>> Co area, the mountain region, leaned toward loyalty to Great Britain.
There
>> were also a lot of tories in New York, and they were probably in all the
>> colonies. When the war was over, many of the tories fled to Canada -
Nova
>> Scotia became the new home for many of them. In Canada, the descendants
of
>> these people are referred to as United Kingdom Loyalists.
>>
>> When you have time, do go to the NGS library and check on that reference
to
>> Joab Wilder being a Tory. Also, whoever has the reference to Joab being
in
>> a militia group, please post that to the list.
>>
>> I wish to remind others on this list that I lived most of my life in
>> Washington Co, TN, and today live 2 miles from the county line. In other
>> words, I buy all my groceries there. I have checked all the Washington
Co
>> records, as well as deeds, etc.
>>
>> When Joab Wilder got his "Tennessee" land grant, the territory belonged
to
>> the federal government as the "Territory South of the River Ohio" and the
>> records from that era are recorded in Washington Co, TN. When Joab sold
>> this land, Carter Co, TN was just being formed, and the purchaser
recorded
>> his deed in Carter County. In the 1830's, Johnson County, TN was created
>> from Carter County, and today Johnson County encompasses the territory
where
>> Joab Wilder's land grant was located. The land is very near the North
>> Carolina border, just where the Watauga River flows into Tennessee from
>> North Carolina.......at the Stone Mountain which is also near the state
>> lines. Joab Wilder's land had originally been granted to John Asher, and
>> was assigned to Joab by John's son, Charles Asher. The Hoskins family
were
>> also neighbors, and Ninian Hoskins is mentioned frequently in Washington
Co,
>> TN court minutes. Later, Ninian Hoskins moved to the Harlan Co, KY area.
>> It is interesting to speculate how these families could be interrelated.
>> Did Joab Wilder have daughters who could have married into these
families?
>> Something to think about.
>>
>> This has not been my week for computers. Earlier in the week my keyboard
>> threw up its hands and refused to type one letter. I finally had to
attach
>> the keyboard from my other computer to this one. Then, last night, just
as
>> we were falling asleep, a giant bolt of lightening struck the transmitter
on
>> the power line coming into our house. At that moment I thought - there
goes
>> my modem! Sure enough, when I came down to check the email this morning,
>> the modem was sure enough "fried." So, I have spent all day fooling with
>> the thing, but did get a new one installed today - thank goodness. So,
if
>> nothing I wrote, above, makes sense, please ask me to re-state it.
>> Sherrill
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adams <>
>> To: <>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
>>
>> >Hi Sherrill,
>> >
>> >I do remember Joab being listed in a North Carolina Militia in 1777.
I'll
>> have
>> >to go through my notes and try to find the information again.
>> >
>> >I also remember along time ago, before you joined the list, I remember
>> seeing a
>> >Joseph Wilder listed as a Tory and I believe that it was in North
Carolina.
>> >This was in a book at the NGS Library. However, I didn't have time to
copy
>> the
>> >information at the time. If I remember correctly, didn't someone post
>> something
>> >stating this fact? Looks like I need to go and find that book at the
NGS
>> >Library.
>> >
>> >Could you explain Tories to me? I was never good at history......lol I
>> think I
>> >missed that day when they were studying that part of history.....lol
>> >
>> >Beth
>> >
>> >Sherrill U Williams wrote:
>> >
>> >> Beth - no I don't have Joab's revolutionary record. If he served at
all,
>> >> and there is some evidence that he did, it was probably in some local
>> >> militia group that kept no records. Considering where he was living
>> during
>> >> the revolution, I would say that was true for him. There are few
>> military
>> >> records for those mountain boys, unless they lived long enough to
apply
>> for
>> >> pensions. Also considering where he lived, I would guess that he had
>> >> loyalist (tory) leanings, and spent most of the war period "hid out."
>> That
>> >> explains our difficulty in attaching children to him. There were a
>> number
>> >> of prominent and well-known Tories in the moutain area where Joab
lived -
>> >> and a large number of patriot, militia, soldiers whose entire
>> revolutionary
>> >> service was spent in hunting the Tories down. Old Timothy Perkins was
>> one
>> >> of the noted Tories in Wilkes (part now Ashe) Co, NC......and we know
the
>> >> later relationship between the Perkins and Wilders in Whitley Co, KY.
I
>> do
>> >> despair of ever finding any substantial and authoritative source data
for
>> >> Joab Wilder and his children.
>> >> Sherrill
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Adams <>
>> >> To: <>
>> >> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:48 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Sherrill,
>> >> >
>> >> >Do you have any information on Joab's Revolutionary War Service such
as
>> the
>> >> >Company and Regiment in which he served? I'm trying to locate
Joseph's
>> >> service
>> >> >record. We have a couple of references that state that he served in
the
>> >> >Revolution, but have been unable to locate his service record.
>> >> >
>> >> >Beth
>> >> >
>> >> >Sherrill U Williams wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Beth,
>> >> >> TN Revolutionary War Land Warrants are really North Carolina
Land
>> >> >> records. TN was part of NC during the Rev. War. The original
records
>> >> would
>> >> >> be at NC Archives. I am sure, however, that all or most of the TN
>> land
>> >> >> records for land granted by NC were copied by TN after statehood
>> (1796).
>> >> NC
>> >> >> set aside a special military boundary in TN for granting to her
Rev.
>> >> >> soldiers. Go to the Lib of Congress and look for this book:
>> >> >> "North Carolina Land Grants in Tennessee, 1778-1791," by Betty
>> Goff
>> >> Cook
>> >> >> Cartwright & Lillian Johnson Gardiner, 1958. There are only two
>> Wilders
>> >> in
>> >> >> the index: Joab Wilder's grant (which we have - not military) and
>> >> Randol
>> >> >> Wilder. Randol received 1000 acres on the south side of Cumberland
>> >> River.
>> >> >> This grant was assigned "by the heirs of Randol Wilder, Cpl." to
>> James
>> >> >> Gloster Brehon.
>> >> >> Sherrill
>> >> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> >> From: Adams <>
>> >> >> To: <>
>> >> >> Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:44 PM
>> >> >> Subject: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Hi Everyone,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does anyone know where I can find the TN Rev. War Land Warrants?
>> Would
>> >> >> >these be located at the TN Archives in Nashville? Any help would
be
>> >> >> >appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Beth
>> >> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>

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