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From: Dora Fisher <>
Subject: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] United Empire Loyalists
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:08:50 -0400
In-Reply-To: <000201bfc5eb$0cefece0$a411fcd1@default>


Hi Beth and all:
If the Tories were the English sympathizers, when they came to Canada, they
were called United Empire Loyalists, or UEL. I have some on one of my
other lines. They settled anywhere from the maritime provinces (Nova
Scotia, PEI, and New Brunswick) to Quebec and Ontario. There were a lot of
crown grants going then, and they snapped up a lot of them.
Dora - a Canadian Wilder descendant

At 09:30 PM 05/24/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>Beth - the tories were loyalists - loyal to King George of Great Britain and
>fought the war on the side of Great Britain, often joining up with their
>forces. Many of the residents along the North Carolina and South Carolina
>border, as well as many of those in Burke Co, NC and in the old Surry/Wilkes
>Co area, the mountain region, leaned toward loyalty to Great Britain. There
>were also a lot of tories in New York, and they were probably in all the
>colonies. When the war was over, many of the tories fled to Canada - Nova
>Scotia became the new home for many of them. In Canada, the descendants of
>these people are referred to as United Kingdom Loyalists.
>
>When you have time, do go to the NGS library and check on that reference to
>Joab Wilder being a Tory. Also, whoever has the reference to Joab being in
>a militia group, please post that to the list.
>
>I wish to remind others on this list that I lived most of my life in
>Washington Co, TN, and today live 2 miles from the county line. In other
>words, I buy all my groceries there. I have checked all the Washington Co
>records, as well as deeds, etc.
>
>When Joab Wilder got his "Tennessee" land grant, the territory belonged to
>the federal government as the "Territory South of the River Ohio" and the
>records from that era are recorded in Washington Co, TN. When Joab sold
>this land, Carter Co, TN was just being formed, and the purchaser recorded
>his deed in Carter County. In the 1830's, Johnson County, TN was created
>from Carter County, and today Johnson County encompasses the territory where
>Joab Wilder's land grant was located. The land is very near the North
>Carolina border, just where the Watauga River flows into Tennessee from
>North Carolina.......at the Stone Mountain which is also near the state
>lines. Joab Wilder's land had originally been granted to John Asher, and
>was assigned to Joab by John's son, Charles Asher. The Hoskins family were
>also neighbors, and Ninian Hoskins is mentioned frequently in Washington Co,
>TN court minutes. Later, Ninian Hoskins moved to the Harlan Co, KY area.
>It is interesting to speculate how these families could be interrelated.
>Did Joab Wilder have daughters who could have married into these families?
>Something to think about.
>
>This has not been my week for computers. Earlier in the week my keyboard
>threw up its hands and refused to type one letter. I finally had to attach
>the keyboard from my other computer to this one. Then, last night, just as
>we were falling asleep, a giant bolt of lightening struck the transmitter on
>the power line coming into our house. At that moment I thought - there goes
>my modem! Sure enough, when I came down to check the email this morning,
>the modem was sure enough "fried." So, I have spent all day fooling with
>the thing, but did get a new one installed today - thank goodness. So, if
>nothing I wrote, above, makes sense, please ask me to re-state it.
> Sherrill
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adams <>
>To: <>
>Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
>
>
>>Hi Sherrill,
>>
>>I do remember Joab being listed in a North Carolina Militia in 1777. I'll
>have
>>to go through my notes and try to find the information again.
>>
>>I also remember along time ago, before you joined the list, I remember
>seeing a
>>Joseph Wilder listed as a Tory and I believe that it was in North Carolina.
>>This was in a book at the NGS Library. However, I didn't have time to copy
>the
>>information at the time. If I remember correctly, didn't someone post
>something
>>stating this fact? Looks like I need to go and find that book at the NGS
>>Library.
>>
>>Could you explain Tories to me? I was never good at history......lol I
>think I
>>missed that day when they were studying that part of history.....lol
>>
>>Beth
>>
>>Sherrill U Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Beth - no I don't have Joab's revolutionary record. If he served at all,
>>> and there is some evidence that he did, it was probably in some local
>>> militia group that kept no records. Considering where he was living
>during
>>> the revolution, I would say that was true for him. There are few
>military
>>> records for those mountain boys, unless they lived long enough to apply
>for
>>> pensions. Also considering where he lived, I would guess that he had
>>> loyalist (tory) leanings, and spent most of the war period "hid out."
>That
>>> explains our difficulty in attaching children to him. There were a
>number
>>> of prominent and well-known Tories in the moutain area where Joab lived -
>>> and a large number of patriot, militia, soldiers whose entire
>revolutionary
>>> service was spent in hunting the Tories down. Old Timothy Perkins was
>one
>>> of the noted Tories in Wilkes (part now Ashe) Co, NC......and we know the
>>> later relationship between the Perkins and Wilders in Whitley Co, KY. I
>do
>>> despair of ever finding any substantial and authoritative source data for
>>> Joab Wilder and his children.
>>> Sherrill
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adams <>
>>> To: <>
>>> Date: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
>>>
>>> >Hi Sherrill,
>>> >
>>> >Do you have any information on Joab's Revolutionary War Service such as
>the
>>> >Company and Regiment in which he served? I'm trying to locate Joseph's
>>> service
>>> >record. We have a couple of references that state that he served in the
>>> >Revolution, but have been unable to locate his service record.
>>> >
>>> >Beth
>>> >
>>> >Sherrill U Williams wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Beth,
>>> >> TN Revolutionary War Land Warrants are really North Carolina Land
>>> >> records. TN was part of NC during the Rev. War. The original records
>>> would
>>> >> be at NC Archives. I am sure, however, that all or most of the TN
>land
>>> >> records for land granted by NC were copied by TN after statehood
>(1796).
>>> NC
>>> >> set aside a special military boundary in TN for granting to her Rev.
>>> >> soldiers. Go to the Lib of Congress and look for this book:
>>> >> "North Carolina Land Grants in Tennessee, 1778-1791," by Betty
>Goff
>>> Cook
>>> >> Cartwright & Lillian Johnson Gardiner, 1958. There are only two
>Wilders
>>> in
>>> >> the index: Joab Wilder's grant (which we have - not military) and
>>> Randol
>>> >> Wilder. Randol received 1000 acres on the south side of Cumberland
>>> River.
>>> >> This grant was assigned "by the heirs of Randol Wilder, Cpl." to
>James
>>> >> Gloster Brehon.
>>> >> Sherrill
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Adams <>
>>> >> To: <>
>>> >> Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 8:44 PM
>>> >> Subject: [WILDER-SOUTH-L] TN Rev. War Land Warrants
>>> >>
>>> >> >Hi Everyone,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Does anyone know where I can find the TN Rev. War Land Warrants?
>Would
>>> >> >these be located at the TN Archives in Nashville? Any help would be
>>> >> >appreciated.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Beth
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>
>
>
>

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