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From: Ken Richards <>
Subject: Re: [MER] Salem Sydney Curnow Vosper comes home!
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:18:12 -0400
I found this article which lists the names of the people who posed
for Vosper when he painted Salem.
Article title: Salem
Periodical: Y Ford Gron. Vol 3. No. 6. April 1933, pages 125 and 144
Author: Einion Evans, Dolgellau
The article lists:
Sian Owen (the main subject), Tyn y fawnog, later Ffordd Groes,
From left to right:
Robert Williams, Cae Meddyg, man under clock,
Laura Williams, Ty'n y buarth, face partly hidden
Owen Jones, Carleg Coch, man under window
Seated lady, no one in particular. Subject may have been a dummy.
Evan Edward Lloyd, Ty'n yr Aelgarth, Llanberis, young boy seated
Mary Rowlands, Dolgellau, originally from Cefn Cymerau, lady next to
William Jones, Carleg Coch, nearest to Sian Owen.
The painting took about four months to complete, between June and
September 1908. Individuals were paid 6 pence an hour to pose. Sian
Owen's Paisley shawl was borrowed from a lady in Harlech. The same
hat was worn by all of the ladies.
Responses to the article in May and June 1933 refer to:
- The devil's face in the shawl: a comment attributed to a well-known
artist which was refuted by Vosper,
- William and Owen Jones of Carleg Coch: both "sat" for the painting,
but only one of them appears in the final version.
[With acknowedgements to Welsh Periodicals Online (National Library
On Jun 12, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Alwyn ap Huw wrote:
> Hello Jim,
> The artist was an Englishman, his wife came from Merthyr Tydfil, so
> are some who have family connections with the artist.
> The main local family history interest is that the painting depicts
> individuals, all painted from "real life" and all of whom can be
> Many of us have family connections with those individuals who
> appear in the
> Even if we have no personal family connections the painting is a
> snapshot of
> the sort of experience that any Welsh ancestor in the 1890's would
> had - attending chapel on the simplest level, the "warnings" about
> hypocrisy" when one delves deeper into the picture.
> Although painted in 1908 in a 1890 style it became popular in the
> when a print was offered as a prize for collecting token's from
> bars of
> soap. For complicated reasons the 1914-18 war was the beginning of
> the end
> of Welsh chapel life and this picture captured the last glimpse of
> the "Old
> Way of Welsh Life" in the same way as "The Hay Wane" is an image of
> In my case the picture portrays a personal family connection, which
> I find
> exciting in its own right, but more importantly is depicts a wider
> experience which is much more interesting and exciting.
> All the best
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim & Sheila" <>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [MER] Salem Sydney Curnow Vosper comes home!
> I was given a copy of that picture and told that it was on the
> walls of
> every Welsh home. So, is every Welshman related to the artist?
> Jim Latimer, Canada
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