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Subject: Re: Llangynog Rectory
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 01 13:01:45 -0500


Julie,

Thank you so much for all the good information and help; this is
very useful.

The document I am quoting from is a Family Group Sheet on which my
my Aunt recorded Charles Samuel Thomas and his wife's information.
These are my grandparent's.

Charles Samuel THOMAS
b. 8 FEB 1859 (on this sheet, but on another paper, the day is different)
Llangynog "Tymaur".
Christened: 27 FEB 1859
Llangynog Rectory by Rev. R. Jones Oswestry Wales

You did have the correct information on the 1851 census.
Grace JONES was married to Cadwaladr THOMAS's father.
Catherine, ____?___, and Cadwaladr were born. Their
father died when he or they were young and Grace remarried
Edward Humphrey's. Elizabeth Humphrey's is Cadwaladr's
half sister.

I do not have the name of Cadwaladr's father, but it could be Charles
since the naming pattern in the family seemed to be traditional and
Charles was the first born child. I would like to be able to find the
information on them if possible.

In 1878, I believe, Cadwaladr and Charles moved to North America; this
is why they are not found on the census for 1881. Charles's mother is
on the 1881 census in Leichester, England, I believe, with some of her
children. In 1882 she appears to have arrived in the states.

Grace JONES was born Ty Nant, Cynllwyd, Merionethshire, North Wales.
I believe the Cynllwyd to be Cym Cynllwyd; this is near Bala Lake.
According to the 1851, the year would have been 1808. Her sister,
Eleanor/Ellinor, also my gggrandmother, was born 1806, same place, so
the year for Grace on the 1851 is in the correct range.

with gratefulnes and kind regards,

Glynda

>What document are you quoting from? If it's an entry in the family bible,
>you can also obtain the actual birth certificate directly from the
>Superintendent Registrar's office (Llanfyllin & Welshpool, I believe).
>Also, the LDS (Mormons) have microfilmed the Bishop's Transcripts of the
>parish register for the parish of Llangynog and they include the year 1859.
>You can order the microfilm from the nearest LDS family history center and
>locate the christening entry and, if you're lucky, perhaps the marriage
>entry for the parents, although if the bride was from another parish, you
>might find their marriage entry in her home parish.
>
>In my experience, only the parish church (i.e., Church of England, now
>Church in Wales) would have a "rectory". This would be the established
>church at the time.
>
>Many nonconformists (i.e., Methodists, etc.) would still use the parish
>church for events such as christenings, marriages and burials, even if they
>attended 'chapel' service. It appears there wasn't a Methodist chapel in
>the parish of Llangynog around 1859 -- the one listed (Penuel, Calvinistic
>Methodist) shows records begin in 1875. They may have had meetings in a
>local farmhouse prior to that time, though, and there may have been other
>chapels in nearby parishes that people could travel to.
>
>From the 1851 Census for Montgomeryshire (CD pub. by the Powys FHS), this is
>the only entry in that area for a Cadwaladr THOMAS -- he's listed with an
>'s' for 'son', but it looks like he should've been listed as 'sv' for
>'servant'. Note that he was born in Merionethshire (MER), parish of
>Llangower.
>
>No sign of any Grace JONES in that area -- it's very near the border with
>Denbighshire and Merionethshire, so she could've been from one of those
>counties.
>
>1851 Census, Parish of Llangynog, Montgomeryshire:
>HUMPHREYS, Edward h m 47 farmer of 20 acre MGY Llangynog Glynddu /f754/p10
>HUMPHREYS, Grace w m 43 MER Llangower Glynddu /f754/p10
>HUMPHREYS, Elizabeth d u 1 MGY Llangynog Glynddu /f754/p10
>HOWELLS, William sv u 16 farmers lab. MGY Hirnant Glynddu /f754/p11
>Thomas, Cadwaladr s u 16 miner MER Llangower Glynddu /f754/p11
>OWENS, Robert ld u 26 stone mason MGY Pennant Glynddu /f754/p11
>DAVIES, Susannah sv u 16 house servant MER Llangower Glynddu /f754/p11
>BLACKWELL, John ld u 26 miner FLN Kylcain Glynddu /f754/p11
>BLACKWELL, Edwin ld u 23 miner FLN Kylcain Glynddu /f754/p11
>
>I checked the 1881 Census for Wales and could not find Cadwaladr, Grace, or
>Charles THOMAS at all. Did they emigrate?
>
>Regards,
>
>Julie Preston
>

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