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From: Judith & Danny <>
Subject: Re: [WRATHALL] Australia/New Zealand Wrathall Update
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:11:52 +0900


Dear Diane

Thanyou for the wonderful information , how comforting to know that technolgy is
so helpful and more acurate. Where as in previous generations so much closness
and history sharing was generated through story telling from one family to
another.
Richard Theophilus was one of those story tellers, around the seed of truth he
added
his "Wairua" . As you know Richards son Trever , who would proberly be
in his 80s lives in Mill bay Mangonui .
The reason I asked about John Wrathall was that every body knows that my
Grand-parents
were cousens Thomas Wrathall and Rose Wrathall if I'm right then they desend from
two
Brothers .Stephen Wrathall (2) I Know to be one brother ,then who could be the
other ?????
Is there any body with any idea????????

Regards Danny
ps Jims father is my mothers brother !

Diane wrote:

> Hi Danny
>
> I have viewed the film of the baptismal records for St Dunstans, Stepney,
> London, at the LDS Family History Centre and the 3 christenings for Stephen,
> Ann and Charlotte all have the father as Stephen Wrathall Mother: Mary Ann. I
> would read the biography with tongue in cheek if I were you <grin>. I
> discussed the validity of the biography with Stephen (Rotorua) and he told me
> one of the aunts said "Richard Theophilus was full of b/s" <grin> Actually,
> when I was typing up the chapters for Stephen, I was chuckling because if you
> read it through, Stephen (1st) is portrayed as a 19th century Bob Jones, both
> in Australia and New Zealand. However, we both agree, there are a few points
> in there that have some merit so it's value as a possible source to confirm
> information, has its use :)
>
> The shipping list for the Rifleman lists Stephen & Mary Ann with all the
> children (excluding William and the ambiguous Charles), all are in the name of
> Wrathall arriving Van DiemensLand April 1831 from London. It is highly
> unlikely that Stephen & Mary Ann eloped and married aboard ship as per Richard
> T's biography
>
> I have the Tasmanian records information and the dates on my posting are as
> accurate as they can be at this point. Williams convict record was sighted by
> a friend of mine at the Tasmanian Records Office. I have a great deal of
> information on the Australian branch. What really got my attention was that
> Stephen (2nd) and John both went to Tasmania, prior to coming to NZ.
>
> The only information I have on John so far is that he had 3 wives (hopefully
> not all at the same time <grin>) Maria NGAMOKO, Harriet TePORO and Polly RATA.
> I have his birth date about 1820, married 1894 to Maria, died 22 Nov 1906
> Taipa, NZ Farmer.
>
> Danny....are you Merle & Jim's son?
>
> Kind Regards
> Diane Wrathall
>
> Judith & Danny wrote:
>
> > Dear Diane
> > Although not an accurate record it is my understanding through reading the
> > biography of Stephen Wrathall that his marriage to Mary Ann took place
> > aboard the ship that came to Australia this information has come from a
> > diary of Stephen Wrathalls that is meant to be held in the Brisbane museum.
> > It has since been proved that she died in Aus and her grave has been
> > sighted.Since Im from Taipa I was able to view several records in the old
> > Mangonui Post Office that stated that Stephen and Mary-Anne were infact
> > husband and wife and stated her maiden name as Walker of London. Don't know
> > if this will help but you never know.? A MYSTERY has anybody got any
> > information on John Wrathall as listed below born 1820 died Taipa 1906
> > ???to my knowledge I have never come across any family from John ????
> >
> > Love to all the family
> > Danny
> >
> > Diane wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Everyone
> > >
> > > Please would you all put your thinking caps on because this is getting
> > > really difficult to trace from New Zealand. To date I have the
> > > following information:-
> > >
> > > Stephen Wrathall born circ 1779 UK, died 24 Oct 1872 Aged 93 (Tasmanian
> > > Records Death Certificate #1141)
> > >
> > > married
> > >
> > > Mary Ann (I have information that her name may be WALKER but have been
> > > unable to confirm this) born circ 1792 UK, died 26 Feb 1852 Aged 60
> > > (Tasmanian Death Certificate #63)
> > >
> > > Children (only the marriages of females listed because of name changes)
> > >
> > > William born circ 1811 UK, Died 14 May 1892 Aged 82 (Tasmanian
> > > Certificate #1243) William emmigrated to Australia in 1826.
> > >
> > > Ann 20 Nov 1814 christened St Dunstan, Stepney, London (LDS Parish
> > > records) married Hugh Curry 1 Aug 1832, Tasmania, Australia
> > >
> > > Stephen 20 Oct 1816 christened St Dunstan, Stepney, London (LDS Parish
> > > records) Died 14 Aug 1896, Kaeo, New Zealand
> > >
> > > Charlotte 26 Jul 1818 christened St Dunstan, Stepney, London (LDS Parish
> > > records) married William Brown 31 May 1841, Tasmania, Australia
> > >
> > > John born circ 1820 (unconfirmed), UK died 22 Nov 1906, Taipa, New
> > > Zealand
> > >
> > > Susannah birthdate unknown, UK married James Taylor 5 Mar 1840,
> > > Tasmania, Australia
> > >
> > > Henry born circ 1826 UK
> > >
> > > Lupton born circ 1828, UK, died 1902, Tasmania, Australia
> > >
> > > Richard born circ 1830 UK, died 1908, Victoria, Australia
> > >
> > > Mary Ann born circ 1827 UK, married George Shoulder (On records as Mary
> > > Ann Gardiner Wrathall), Tasmania, Australia
> > >
> > > Apparently there is a son called Charles, however, I have been unable to
> > > locate any mention of him from this end.
> > >
> > > William was convicted of stealing meat in 1836 (10 years after his
> > > arrival in Australia) on his convict record he states his siblings as:-
> > > Stephen, John, Lupton, Henry, Richard, Ann, Charlotte, Susan, MaryAnn
> > > (Stephen had left Australia for New Zealand by this time, John must have
> > > followed him at a later date)
> > >
> > > There is no mention of a Charles. I do not know where Charles came into
> > > the picture, however, I am assuming either Charles was NOT the son of
> > > Stephen & Mary Ann OR Charles remained in the UK when the family
> > > emmigrated OR Charles had died prior to 1831.
> > >
> > > On the passenger list for the Rifleman, Arrived in Van Diemensland
> > > (Tasmania, Australia) Apr 1831, which carried Stephen & Mary Ann, the
> > > following children accompanied them:-
> > >
> > > Charlotte, Henry, John, Luckman (Lupton), Mary Ann, Ann, Richard,
> > > Stephen, Susan (Susannah)
> > > William had preceded the family in 1826....no mention of Charles.
> > >
> > > Anyway, that's a small sample of the information I have on the movement
> > > of Stephen & Mary Ann WRATHALL, despite reading every mailing of all
> > > types of lists and endless searching of IGI Batches, Family History
> > > Centres, Local Libraries and web sites, I am still unable to locate and
> > > information on Stephen (i)'s birth or his marriage to Mary Ann
> > > (presumably WALKER)
> > >
> > > Does anyone out there have any further ideas???????
> > >
> > > Kind Regards
> > > Diane Wrathall
> > > Auckland, NZ
> > >
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