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Subject: Re: [Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-G] Haplogroup G Project at Family Tree DNA
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:24:06 -0700


Mida,

I would like to make several comments about your results and the man who matches you 37 of 37 markers.

It seems to me that you are thinking far too distant in the past for your common ancestor. Those who match 37 out of 37 in a high percentage of cases had a common male ancestor in recent generations, The fact that the you both live in the same (American?) state seems to argue for this theory. If there are lots of samples already available from both families, then the solution as to which family had the surname farthest back into the past can often be guessed at by seeing which has the longest pedigree on paper.

You, however, only seem to have 2 samples in total.

The usual way to confirm that a DNA profile has been intact for many generations within the same family is to obtain one sample each from the 2 most distant male cousins available. If they closely match, the profile will be confirmed back to the common ancestor.

In your case, both of the persons already sampled would need to find a distant cousin for the additional test. Whichever newly tested cousin fails to match the existing samples will point to the family in which there has been an interruption in the biological line. Because the DNA marker combinations you obtained are uncommon, just 12 marker tests would be adequate for this determination of which family has had an adoption by someone outside the biological line.

Unless your brother has a different surname, I could not find your results in the Y-Search database. I urge you to make these publicly available if there are no objections so that the data can be used in our studies. If you were tested at Family Tree DNA, under the orange haplogroup tab on your page, use the upload command. If tested elsewhere, you can type in your results
http://www.ysearch.org/add_start.asp?uid=D59FR
[Please recheck the entries because one wrong number can ruin the whole process]

Thanks. Ray Banks


---- wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am a female, and one of my brothers took the y dna 37 marker test (USA.)
> and he came out a G-2.
>
> I am doing the DNA tests along with my genealogical family research.
>
> My ancestor was supposed to have come from Greece, many many moons ago,
> however, recently another male (different surname, and not known to be related to
> me/us) from the same state that I am from, did his 37 marker Y-DNA and OOPS we
> matched 37 out of 37. His genealogy male paper trail is of French origin,
> many many moons ago.So if some new G-2 such as yourself are exploring the
> posibility of Norman ancestary then I/we just might be a Norman and not a Greek!!!!
> I might add that that "other" male "happens" to have the same surname as
> my maternal great-grand father, and I have done extensive surname (French)
> genealogical research, in the area of Parthenay, France, but, I do know that a
> co-lateral branch moved to Normandy, circa 1400's, and they could have very well
> have been originally from that area. Bottom line: either he is Greek or we
> are Norman, there is NO WAY we can have this exact match without "somebody"
> jumping the "Fence" here in my state.
>
> Since you are a G-2, here are my 12 markers, if we have a close match, I will
> send you the rest of the 37 marker data. Or if ANYONE out there (Peter
> Christy matches at 12 only) does, please contact me.
>
> 1 393 13
> 2 390 22
> 3 19* 15
> 4 391 10
> 5 385a 12
> 6 385b 14
> 7 426 11
> 8 388 12
> 9 439 12
> 10 389-1 12
> 11 392 11
> 12 389-1 29
>
> * aka as DYS 394
>
> Mida Leone at or this wm address.
>
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