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From: "Aaron Hill" <>
Subject: RE: Oxford Ancestors Links
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 05:58:15 +0000


Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:17 pm

Post subject: 'Goths', the primary source of Y-haplogroup I?





Considering that the highest frequencies of Y-haplogroup I occur in Sweden and the Balkans, is it possible that the Goths are the people who represent haplogroup I?

Interestingly, haplogroup I is usually associated with the fertility figurines of the Gravettian culture (30.000-22.000 years ago), which might be connected with or have evolved into the original religion of the Goths, the worship of Nerthus, or Mother Earth.

According to the ancient legends of the Goths, their original homeland was Scandinavia (in Sweden today, there is Gotland), but many were forced by flooding or overpopulation to migrate through Eastern Europe to the Balkans, where they later grew strong and fought the Romans.

Now, I have a question for experts that might be reading this: Is it possible that the division between I1a and I1b could reflect this parting of a large group of Goths from Scandinavia (a very long time ago), who then ended up in a refugium in the Balkans and became I1b through a local mutation there, whereas those who had stayed in Scandinavia spent the last ice age in Southern France/Northern Spain? After the ice age, the latter then went up to resettle Scandinavia and the later Germanic lands, whereas the I1b group in the Balkans stayed put in Eastern Europe.

Perhaps it is wrong to specifically call them Goths, but then at least Proto-Goths. I believe the 'Goth' connection makes a lot of sense because of the present geographical location of the clades of Y-haplogroup I.

Greetings to all from a Dane who would rather not be Swedish, but...

Jesper
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