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From: William Morrow <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Preliminary Summary of New HIV-HG I Study
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:34:20 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <03A2BFDE7FD843FDBA30DF2E699F01B1@whifflepoof>

Wil and others..
my fast and loose conclusion on my Feb 1 posting that Hg I
descendants were headed to extinction didn't mean this generation. 
Rather somewhere in the far future? But inevitable, looking over
Aaron's summary. And it saddened me that Hg I appears flawed
genetically. Back of my mind, I hold out hopes that there will be
a "fix" of bad genes, we hear some of that even happening today.
Bill Morrow   

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, Wil Husted <> wrote:

From: Wil Husted <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Preliminary Summary of New HIV-HG I Study
Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 9:33 AM


I have no male siblings and we have only one male grandchild and that's it.

I told him to marry young and be prolific! Hopefully he will father at least
one male child to carry-on the line.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Hawk" <>
To: <>; <>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Preliminary Summary of New HIV-HG I Study

> Good idea Ken,
> We need all of the young I1's out there to get busy having sons to
> the line going. I'd like to help but I'm 73, and my son is not
having any
> kids, my brothers are done too, and my brother's son has only girls.
> Bill Hawk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> To: <>;
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Preliminary Summary of New HIV-HG I Study
> I'm waiting for the Professors crusading for bio-diversity and save
> species campaigns to propose a subsidy for reproduction of endangered
> haplogroups.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "K S Harris" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 4:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Preliminary Summary of New HIV-HG I Study
> Hi Ken,
> I'll bet you're right. I've read somewhere that Northern
> populations, overall, have been declining at greater than 0.2% annually
> for
> the past four or five years, with an even faster decline among ethnic
> Russians. If immigration is already offsetting this decline
> substantively,
> then native haplogroups are probably declining much faster in frequency
> than
> 0.2%.
> Maybe we should start a gene bank for endangered Y-haplogroups! Could be
> fairly inexpensive and who knows, the world might need them in the future.
> Best,
> Keith
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Ken Nordtvedt
> <>wrote:
>> Yes, but given birth rates among the long time inhabitant haplogroups
>> Europe (before this massive "guest worker", commonwealth,
illegal, and
>> refugee status immigration of the last half century), they will all
>> go
>> extinct.
>> I bet if a calculation were made using present day birth rates, the
>> inferred
>> ultimate extinction rate of these y lines are all essentially 1.

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