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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] basic descriptions of each I1 subclade,recommended further testing?
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:34:16 -0700
References: <COL118-W323496C8A2FC3FFA87501BCAA90@phx.gbl><000801c99b6f$197b5cc0$6400a8c0@Ken1><BLU141-W3328AF6317AF81D74B7FC8D4A90@phx.gbl>


DYS455 = 12 is extremely rare in I2b1. Like one or two known! It could be
a fairly recent mutation in your ancestral line. There certainly is not a
known population of them out there to discuss.

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian McCall" <>
To: "rootsweb" <>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] basic descriptions of each I1 subclade, recommended
further testing?



So, I am I2B1. M223+ and 12 at DYS 455. I have only seen one other. This
seems, to be, one marker that seperates me, from the rest. Even, my closest
genetic match, so far.

The one other,(DYS 455,12 alleles); subject, I have seen, is not very
genetically close. Further away than my nearest genetic match, so far.

I can only surmise it is a geographical or family predisposed marker.

BM

> From:
> To:
> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:43:02 -0700
> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] basic descriptions of each I1 subclade, recommended
> further testing?
>
> Any further tests depend on seeing your 46 marker haplotype.
>
> There is as close to a foolproof way of determining whether I1 or not. I1
> has DYS455 = 8. Just about any other clade of haplogroup I has 11 at
> DYS455
> with one or two minor clades having 10. DYS455 is an extremely slow
> mutating marker so clades are rather monolithic at this marker.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NB Vinson" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:37 PM
> Subject: [yDNAhgI] basic descriptions of each I1 subclade,recommended
> further testing?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My apologies for posting such basic questions, given all the in-depth
> > discussions on this listserv.....
> >
> > Using DNA results from my brother (46 marker test via Ancestry.com), ran
> > the Haplo-I Subclade Predictor
> > (http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm)
> > and got the following results -
> >
> > I-M253-P =>49%
> > I-M253-AS9a =>41%
> > I-M253-As3 =>8%
> >
> > I also ran Whit Athey's predictor. That gave fitness scores for the
> > different haplogroups but not subclades. Unless I did it wrong. I1 with
> > a
> > fitness score of 27 and probability of 100%. Next highest fitness score
> > was 13 - for I2a(xI2a1).
> >
> > Questions
> >
> > (1) where can I find descriptions of these subclades, geographic
> > concentrations, surname associations, etc.?
> >
> > (2) what additional tests are best, to further nail down subclade?
> >
> > Thanks so much!!!
> > Nina Vinson
> >
> >
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