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From: Charles Hollenbeck <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I2b1
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:18:15 -0700
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On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Wil Husted <> wrote:

> Hello Charlie and Ken,
> Are you fellows saying that I2b1 introduced farming into Europe? I'm just
> asking.

No Wil, just the opposite. I1 and I2b were hemmed in somewhere in the West
of Europe during the LGM. I2a was scattered along the Mediterranean
The Neolithic occurred quite some time *after* the LGM, when all of the
populations that had been in Europe had already started spreading out. I1
I2b were practically the last to take up farming due to their location in
Northwestern periphery.

Where did Haplogroup I originate or branch from ..?..?
When did the first Haplogroup I people arrive in Europe?
*I* think in Anatolia. The split-up of [IJ] occurred there, with Hg I
Europe (with maybe some J's) as the Bohunician/Aurignacian
population, while J remained in Anatolia. This was *more than* 40kya.
Brother clade Hg J could have entered at any time, most likely started in
before the LGM, but really poured in as part of the Neolithic.

Was the Balkans area the LGM refuge for all Haplogroup I..

No, just I2a-(pre-?)Dinaric I think. See above.

When and where did the various clades and subclades of Haplogroup I go after
the LGM?

Would a map of the various branches and twigs of Haplogroup I with their
ages be possible with the current data?

See Ken's website for a tree of the relationships. If you're asking about a
geographical map showing the distribution of the *haplotypes* you'll
have to make your own using data from the people who are actually testing
in Europe.

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