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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Russian I2a2a-Dinaric TMRCA
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:02:22 -0600
References: <003101cad8be$abeef2f0$5e82af48@Ken1><001a01cad8d2$dea2e670$5e82af48@Ken1><x2x61c5fee71004101031y88cf2c3dz15ae42726a1a14fe@mail.gmail.com><003401cad8db$834a9120$5e82af48@Ken1><i2u61c5fee71004101151w2e321c41w3a23eddb4b452e0@mail.gmail.com>


I2a2a-Dinaric is just too young to not have been the result of a sudden
expansion not much more than 2000 years ago.

Now to figure out from where the expansion began? The traditional Slavic
"homeland" of the Pripet marshes is as good a guess as anything for me at
the moment.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie Cullen" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Russian I2a2a-Dinaric TMRCA


> Yes, I haven't looked at this paper, but maybe it's a good attempt to
> sample
> the y-DNA of European Russia and maybe 10% is the first good estimate for
> I2a2a Dinaric there.
>
> Not sure what the authors did about random sampling vs. trying to exclude
> those not thought to be "Russian", and not sure which I think would be a
> better approach.
>
> I would guess that I2a2a Dinaric are just as much a part of the "Russian"
> mix as other haplogroups like R1a, R1b, N, and can't be dismissed as
> solely
> recent inflows of Poles, other western Slavic groups? Not sure if other
> people have different ideas about this, and not sure if your TMRCA
> calculations can shed any light on this.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Ken Nordtvedt
> <>wrote:
>
>> Russia is such a huge place, it might be difficult to easily compare that
>> 10
>> percent figure. It would depend on what you include and what not,
>> geographically.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bernie Cullen" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] Russian I2a2a-Dinaric TMRCA
>>
>>
>> > I'm guessing the 51 Dinaric haplotypes out of 500 Russian samples
>> included
>> > some duplicates?
>> >
>> > If you didn't remove duplicates to get the 51, that is 10% Dinaric, how
>> > does
>> > this compare to previous estimates for Russia.
>> >
>> > Bernie
>> >
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