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From: Pablo Carballada <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1 in Spain (was: I1 AS9b Geographic Origins Results)
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 21:45:27 +0100
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I think he meant VIII. Anyway, mozarabs were any Christians on occupied land, not only Goths.

El 16/01/2011, a las 21:38, Wm.Ballough escribió:

> XVIII Goths?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RADIAZ" <>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1 in Spain (was: I1 AS9b Geographic Origins Results)
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>
> This is a history blogger's post on Toledo in 1102 :
>
> "But back to the conquest of Toledo. Clustered in the city of Toledo were
> Mozarabic, Moorish, Spanish, French (francos) and Jews. Mozarabic were the
> XVIII century Goths who had remained on land occupied by Moors and had
> preserved their religion and rituals and even the laws governing them. Since
> No
> blood had been mixed with the Moors they were regarded as so noble and
> Alfonso
> VI had them in high regard after the capture of Toledo and proved it by
> giving
> them the city government (such as governors and judges) and allowing for an
> exception, the use of the Mozarabic rite in the Roman time. The rest of the
> people of Toledo, Moors and Jews, remained in the "Aljamas" (Arabic word
> "al-yahud" meaning all people). The rest of the territory was colonized by
> people coming from Galicia, Asturias, Navarre, Castile itself and France,
> especially Gascony, Brittany and Provence "
>
> http://antonioescalera.blogspot.com/2007/08/los-primeros-libros-en-castellano.html
>
>
> The Galicia, Asturias and France of that time as well as the Goths are
> possible
> foci of I1 in my neophite humble estimation, just a thought.
>
> Raimundo Díaz
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Pablo Carballada <>
> To:
> Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 12:57:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] I1 in Spain (was: I1 AS9b Geographic Origins Results)
>
> I couldn't find any study on demographics of the Germanic tribes. Historians
> estimated that Suevi were around 30000 and they all came at once. Visigoths
> might have been between 150000 and 200000, including those in Galia
> Narbonense,
> and they entered the peninsula in serveral waves. That makes up to 5% of the
> total Iberian population at the end of the invasions.
>
> Pablo
>
>
> El 16/01/2011, a las 01:10, Aaron Casillas escribió:
>
>> Does anyone have numbers of migrating tribes into Spain? Can a dna profile
>> be
>> created showing migrations into Spain, I am wondering?
>>
>>
>>
>
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