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From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] NEW ancient haplogroup within M223+
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:17:51 -0600
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Yes, perpetual tiny P95+ got overlooked when counting. New L623+L147+ must
be I2a2a4, and according to those who keep private snp haplogroups which are
never seen again, that "4" will appear a "5" in their trees.

There is someone showing M223+ M379+ in an academic paper and from the
Khyber Pass or Pakistan, but a co-haplogrouper has never been found.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Holmes
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [yDNAhgI] NEW ancient haplogroup within M223+

I think the issue is this:

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <>

> Noteworthy is the new subhaplogroup of M223+ which I call I2a2a3
> Continental-2c. It is tagged by the pair of SNPs L623 and L147

And then:

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Kenneth Nordtvedt <>

> The new haplogroup within M223+ has snp tags L147+ and L623+ It is
> parallel to the longtime M284+ and P78+ and tiny P95+ haplogroups.
> So for now I call it I2a2a4. It is very old; with branch roots as old as
> P78+

So there seems to be some confusion here: I2a2a3 or I2a2a4?

- Rich Holmes

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