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From: Wendy King <>
Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Frederick Herbert RUSSELL
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 09:05:06 +0100
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Tracking back from the military data and Herbert, Gertrude and the children
are on the 1911 -his birth, as you would expect as it is an official Army
entry, is given as Bradford. In 1901 when they are at Frimley Green, Essex
and he or his wife gave the enumerator the details, his birth place is
Preston, Lancashire.

I have not been able to him on any earlier census as either Herbert or
Frederick (have you thought that he may have been known as Bert and that
Frederick was an incorrect extension of his name?) using no age criteria.
There is no RUSSELL family with a combination of Frank as father and Herbert
as son on England, Scotland or Wales censuses regardless of age.

The only Herbert I can find with a Bradford GRO entry is for George Herbert
born 1872. Parish registers for many of the Bradford and Bowling area
churches are on line for this period. No Herbert Russell baptisms. There is
a George Herbert baptised 1880 21 Oct 1880 at Bradford St Peters, son of
Etty, 16 Hird St, Bowling no father named but his birth date/age are not
given. In 1881 they are at this address with her mother (Ettie is given as
Etta) 1891 Etta is a boarder with a 3 yr old daughter and I didn't find

Have you considered that his father might have been a soldier? If his
personal information is accurate (on either census) this could explain why
he was missing from earlier censuses - military data was not included for
overseas personnel until 1911.


-----Original Message-----
From: Nivard Ovington
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:25 PM
To: Eileen & Marty Russell ;
Subject: Re: [YORKSGEN] Frederick Herbert RUSSELL

Hi Eileen

A couple of points

The brother Frank is recorded as the *older* brother of Frederick on the
service record which may
help in searching

Have you checked out this entry

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Male Russell
Name: Male Russell
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1877
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9b
Page: 101

The way to check this would be to order a certificate with *no* GRO
reference , request the cert
with fathers name Frank for 1877 in Yorkshire

If the GRO find this one or any other that matches they will send it, if not
they will not charge

The only problem you could face is if they find another RUSSELL born in 1877
with a father frank but
that seems unlikely

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

> We have tried for years to trace my husband's grandfather but cannot find
> his birth record or
> parents' names. It took 20 years to find his military papers although we
> knew his service
> number - they eventually turned up in the 'Burnt Papers' when they were
> microfilmed (thank you
> Lotto). The marriage certificate was equally elusive, even when given the
> bride's maiden name,
> date and place of marriage the record could not be found - it was indexed
> under RULE instead of
> POOLE (the handwriting is terrible).
> If anyone has the time and patience to go through these notes and perhaps
> give us some more ideas
> of where to look we'd be very grateful.
> Many thanks
> Eileen Russell

Ancestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html;
www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk;
www.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk;

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