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From: ajleeb <>
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: [BANAT-L] Who decided that?
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:10:28 -0700
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Scroll down for the - Victims of the Dresden bombing raid.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWdresden.htm

Alex.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Katharine Samuelson" <>
To: "DVHH-L" <>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Fw: [BANAT-L] Who decided that?


Hello Alex
Thank you for the information you so readily gave. But as you may not know
my circumstances, I would like to offer the following.
On October 22 1944 my mother, brother & I fled Lowas and took a train to
Dresden. My mother waited for my father, but he never came, so she made the
trip back, only to be deterred in Gakowa. She offered to run a pig farm in
Lager Backi Breg (Bereg by the Hungarian Grenze). This she accomplished
with the help of my teenage brother. Early 1947 we escaped the Lager
through knee deep snow, but failed. I received frost bite in my
extremities. When I was feeling better we tried again and succeeded and
fled to Hungary. My mother was very sick for 3 months, taken care by good
Samaritans. By June we made our way to Tarsdorf where my grandmother was
already placed. I stayed with grandma, while my mother got work in Linz.
She was able to apply for a room in one of the DP camps and I joined her.
Later we moved to Graz. By 1950 my brother came to Vancouver and in two
years he brought both of us here as well.
So you can see my story is different, yet the same. I wanted to learn which
camp we were at, that is the reason I asked for a roster. I thought maybe
all were registered that had accommodations in the camps.
Katharine, from snowy Delta

----- Original Message -----
From: "ajleeb" <>
To: "DVHH-L" <>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 7:07 PM
Subject: [DVHH] Fw: [BANAT-L] Who decided that?


Katharine.

I was told, when DP's arrived in Germany, they first had to go to Nürnberg.
Had to be registered, then they could chose where they wanted to be placed.
If in Germany, they were put into Lagers, in the city they chose, up to 2
years. They were working while living in the Lager, if they earned enough
money, they bought themselves a house or built a house, or bought a Flat.
Apparently, only the Archive in Nürnberg, has a record of the registered
DP's who arrived in Germany.

Alex.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ajleeb" <>
To: "Alex Leeb" <>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [DVHH] [BANAT-L] Who decided that?


> Katharine.
>
> Since the DP camp in Linz, was one of the bigger ones, and being in
> Austria, there might be a list of the staying in a DP camp.
> There was a DP camp in Ingolstadt, Germany. When we were in Ingolstadt, in
> 2005, I went to the City Hall, and enquired about the DP camps in
> Ingolstadt. You wouldn't believe the answer I got from the clerk.
> "Camps, what camps are you talking about? Please explaine yourselve, what
> do you mean by DP (Displaced Person) camps!" After standing in line for
> 45 minutes, that was my answer I got.
> After explaining the situation to my cousin, what I want to know, he gave
> me the answer. I don't know if this affected the DP's already in 1945, or
> not. They were sent to Nürnberg, registered at the Immigration Office?
> They stayed in Lagers in Nürnber, until their papers where finalist. They
> were asked, and were allowed to go where ever they requested. North
> America, South America, Australia, or they could chose a place in Germany.
> Some had relatives or friends living in Germany, already, therefore most
> of them who decided to stay in Germany, chose the village in which DP's
> from back home came from.
> For example, if people (in this case) chose to settle in Ingolstadt, they
> were sent to the place they chose to live.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katharine Samuelson" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [DVHH] [BANAT-L] Who decided that?
>
>
>> John & Eve
>> You both mentioned Linz DP camp. Does anyone know if there was a roster
>> for
>> the folks that were there. I vaguely recall being in that camp with my
>> mother, till 1952.
>> Katharine from cold/snowy Delta
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eve" <>
>>
>>
>>
>>> double oops wrong list
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2008 2:18 PM, Eve <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> oops forgot to send to the list also
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>> >
>>>> > My parents and siblings were in a dp camp not far from Linz - in fact
>>>> > mom said dad drove his bike to work in Linz while they lived at Lager
>>>> > Haid
>>>> > by Ansfeldon. They were placed there after trying to get into
>>>> > Germany
>>>> > in
>>>> > 1947 and found the border closed to refugees at that time. I will
>>>> > try
>>>> > and
>>>> > ask mom if she remembers how the decision was made for their
>>>> > placement
>>>> > there, but I know that almost all of my family members were there
>>>> > eventually
>>>> > as if by request.
>>>> >
>>>> > Eve
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Jan 26, 2008 12:56 PM, <> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Gruess Gott, fellow Listers.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > After surviving a couple of Tito's starvation/extermination camps,
>>>> > > my
>>>> > > mother
>>>> > > and I and two of my siblings escaped from the Gakowa camp into
>>>> > > Hungary
>>>> > > in
>>>> > > September, 1947, as part of a larger group. After helping a
>>>> > > Hungarian
>>>> > > farmer with
>>>> > > his grape harvest, winemaking and other work that fall, we were
>>>> > > gently
>>>> > > "handed
>>>> > > over" to Austrian border guards by Hungarian police in January 1948
>>>> > > near a
>>>> > > small town in the Austrian province of Niederoesterreich (Lower
>>>> > > Austria). The
>>>> > > name of that Austrian town may have been Strassburg, but I am not
>>>> > > sure
>>>> > > of that.
>>>> > > After some days in the care of what I believe was a
>>>> > > nunnery/cloister
>>>> > > in that
>>>> > > town, we were transported to a refugee camp at Feffernitz in the
>>>> > > Austrian
>>>> > > province of Kaernten (Carinthia), which was then in the British
>>>> > > zone
>>>> > > of post-war
>>>> > > occupation. Meanwhile, two of my cousins and others we know who
>>>> > > escaped to the
>>>> > > West through Hungary wound up in a refugee camp at Linz in the
>>>> > > Austrian
>>>> > > province of Oberoesterreich (Upper Austria), which was in the
>>>> > > American
>>>> > > occupation
>>>> > > zone.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > There probably were other camps in Austria that also took in
>>>> > > Donauschwaben
>>>> > > refugees but I am not aware of them. But here is my question:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Does anyone on the List know how it was decided by either the
>>>> > > Austrians, the
>>>> > > military occupation authorities, or anyone else on where to send
>>>> > > stateless/displaced persons streaming into Austria at that time
>>>> > > (1944-48) from southeastern
>>>> > > European countries, including Hungary, Romania and Yugoslavia? I
>>>> > > can't
>>>> > > imagine that we, the refugees, had anything to say about where we
>>>> > > should be sent
>>>> > > until we could a more permanent new home.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > John Mueller
>>>> > > Rochester Hills, Michigan
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > **************
>>>> > > Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all
>>>> > > time on AOL Music.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > (
>>>> > > http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548
>>>> > > )
>>>> > >
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>>>> > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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