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From: raymond l montgomery <>
Subject: Re: Juliane Fitz Maurice, wife of Thomas de Clare
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:07:18 -0700


Douglas
Thanks for this post!
How ever the appoximate birth date i have of juliane Fitzmaurice is 1249
and that would mean that her mother was 8 at the time of her birth.
How ever i could be taking this entirely wrong! did you mean that juliane
birth was 1242?
Thanks in advance for your input
RAY
On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:00:26 -0800 Douglas Richardson
<> writes:
>The recent postings regarding Margaret de Clare, wife of
>Bartholomew de Badlesmere, have prompted me to post regarding
>Margaret's parentage. As indicated by others, Margaret de
>Clare's parents were Thomas de Clare, Knt. (died 1287), of
>Thomond in Connaught, Bunratty castle, co. Clare, etc., Ireland,
>and his wife, Juliane Fitz Maurice, which couple were married
>before 18 Feb. 1275.
>
>Juliane Fitz Maurice has long been regarded to be a daughter of
>Maurice Fitz Maurice, Knt., 4th baron of Offaly in Ireland,
>Justiciar of Ireland, by his 2nd wife, Emmeline Longespee.
>Juliane was the most certainly a daughter of Maurice Fitz
>Maurice, Knt., but not by his wife, Emmeline Longespee.
>English records (including her ipm) prove conclusively that
>Emmeline Longespee died without issue. For information
>regarding Emmeline and the history of her English lands, see VCH
>Berkshire, 4 (1924): 158-159 and VCH Wiltshire, 9 (1910): 176.
>
>As for Juliane Fitz Maurice's correct maternity, it appears she
>was the daughter of her father's first wife, Maud de
>Prendergast, born about 1242, widow of David Fitz Maurice (died
>1249) and Maurice de Rochford (died 1258), and daughter and
>coheiress of Gerald de Prendergast (died 1251), of Beauvoir (or
>Carrigaline) and Ballacha in Orrery, co. Cork, Ireland
>(References: Orpen, 1 (1911): 390-391; 3 (1920): 118, 198, 209-
>210, 4 (1920):128-129 (chart which incorrectly shows Juliane
>Fitz Maurice as daughter of Emmeline Longespee); T.W. Moody, et
>al., eds., A New History of Ireland, 9 (1984): 167 (chart)].
>
>Interestingly, Orpen shows that Maud (de Prendergast) Fitz
>Maurice's paternal grandmother was Maud, daughter of Robert de
>Quincy (died 1172-3), constable of Ireland, by a daughter of
>Richard de Clare ("Strongbow"), Earl of Pembroke. So, it would
>appear that Maud de Prendegast has some rather illustrious
>ancestry in her background, descending from the English Quincy
>and Clare families.
>
>For further particulars on Thomas de Clare and his wife, Juliane
>Fitz Maurice and their numerous American descendants, please see
>the forthcoming new book, Magna Carta Ancestry, by Dr. David
>Faris and myself, which book should be available for purchase
>through NEHGS in Boston sometime later this summer or early
>fall.
>
>All for now. Best always, Douglas Richardson
>
>
>
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