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From: Douglas Richardson <>
Subject: Re: Juliane Fitz Maurice, wife of Thomas de Clare
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:23:04 -0800


Hi Raymond:

In answer to your question, it appears that Sir Thomas de Clare
and Juliane Fitz Maurice were married shortly before 18 February
1275. It is difficult to know when Juliane was born but I would
estimate around 1261, as noble women were generally around 14
when their marriages were consummated.

Juliane's father, Sir Maurice Fitz Maurice, married his first
wife, Maud de Prendergast, shortly after 1258, following the
death of Maud's second husband, Maurice de Rochford. Maud de
Prendergast was born about 1242. So the chronology fits fine
for Maud de Prendergast for to be the mother of Juliane Fitz
Maurice. I estimate that Maud was about 19 when Juliane was
born.

In any event, Juliane could not possibly be the child of her
father's second wife, Emmeline Longespee, as that marriage took
place long after Juliane's birth. Also, English records prove
that Emmeline Longespee died without issue.

All for now. Best always, Douglas Richardson


In article <>,
(raymond l montgomery) wrote:
>Douglas
>Thanks for this post!
>How ever the appoximate birth date i have of juliane
Fitzmaurice is 1249
>and that would mean that her mother was 8 at the time of her
birth.
>How ever i could be taking this entirely wrong! did you mean
that juliane
>birth was 1242?
>Thanks in advance for your input
>RAY
>On Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:00:26 -0800 Douglas Richardson
><> writes:
>>The recent postings regarding Margaret de Clare, wife of
>>Bartholomew de Badlesmere, have prompted me to post regarding
>>Margaret's parentage. As indicated by others, Margaret de
>>Clare's parents were Thomas de Clare, Knt. (died 1287), of
>>Thomond in Connaught, Bunratty castle, co. Clare, etc.,
Ireland,
>>and his wife, Juliane Fitz Maurice, which couple were married
>>before 18 Feb. 1275.
>>
>>Juliane Fitz Maurice has long been regarded to be a daughter of
>>Maurice Fitz Maurice, Knt., 4th baron of Offaly in Ireland,
>>Justiciar of Ireland, by his 2nd wife, Emmeline Longespee.
>>Juliane was the most certainly a daughter of Maurice Fitz
>>Maurice, Knt., but not by his wife, Emmeline Longespee.
>>English records (including her ipm) prove conclusively that
>>Emmeline Longespee died without issue. For information
>>regarding Emmeline and the history of her English lands, see
VCH
>>Berkshire, 4 (1924): 158-159 and VCH Wiltshire, 9 (1910): 176.
>>
>>As for Juliane Fitz Maurice's correct maternity, it appears she
>>was the daughter of her father's first wife, Maud de
>>Prendergast, born about 1242, widow of David Fitz Maurice (died
>>1249) and Maurice de Rochford (died 1258), and daughter and
>>coheiress of Gerald de Prendergast (died 1251), of Beauvoir (or
>>Carrigaline) and Ballacha in Orrery, co. Cork, Ireland
>>(References: Orpen, 1 (1911): 390-391; 3 (1920): 118, 198, 209-
>>210, 4 (1920):128-129 (chart which incorrectly shows Juliane
>>Fitz Maurice as daughter of Emmeline Longespee); T.W. Moody, et
>>al., eds., A New History of Ireland, 9 (1984): 167 (chart)].
>>
>>Interestingly, Orpen shows that Maud (de Prendergast) Fitz
>>Maurice's paternal grandmother was Maud, daughter of Robert de
>>Quincy (died 1172-3), constable of Ireland, by a daughter of
>>Richard de Clare ("Strongbow"), Earl of Pembroke. So, it
would
>>appear that Maud de Prendegast has some rather illustrious
>>ancestry in her background, descending from the English Quincy
>>and Clare families.
>>
>>For further particulars on Thomas de Clare and his wife,
Juliane
>>Fitz Maurice and their numerous American descendants, please
see
>>the forthcoming new book, Magna Carta Ancestry, by Dr. David
>>Faris and myself, which book should be available for purchase
>>through NEHGS in Boston sometime later this summer or early
>>fall.
>>
>>All for now. Best always, Douglas Richardson
>>
>>
>>
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