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From: "Phil Moody" <>
Subject: Fw: Doug Richardsons old Biset post
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 00:01:16 -0500


Hi Doug:

Just curious if you received this originally.

Cheers,
Phil
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From: "Phil Moody" <>
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Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: Doug Richardsons old Biset post


> Date: 31 Mar 1999 10:59:18 GMT
> From: Dcrdcr4mailto:
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Subject: Re: Biset
>
> I have seen the Circencester Cartulary. It's an interesting book. As
best I
> recall, it doesn't conflict with anything I posted. It includes
information
> on a cadet branch of the Biset family which I believe later died out.
>
> I haven't seen any evidence that Manasser Biset was the son of a William
Biset,
> although that could be true. I haven't studied the matter to see how
Manasser
> obtained his properties. As best I can determine, Massaser Biset was
older
> than his brother, William, of East Bridgeford, co. Nottingham, not junior
as
> you have it. William's descendants held property of Manasser's
descendants
> which suggests to me that Manasser was the head of the senior branch of
the
> family and that William's line was a cadet branch.
>
> PLM: Doug, I thought I would furnish you with a charter that names
Manasser mother and father, or more specifically, his brother William
capentarius Biset. In this charter, you will see that William was there
father's name, and if this is the case, then it is illogical to assume that
Manasser was the eldest, since his brother William had their fathers name.
> I will just furnish the Latin charter for now, because I'm hoping
someone will be kind enough to furnish us with a literal translation:-)
>
> (fo 53v) CONF' Omnibus sancte ecclesie fidelibus clericis et laycis
Francis et Anglis Willelmus carpentarius salutem. Notum sit vobis omnibus me
dedisse et concessisse Deo et canonicis ecclesie sancti Petri de Thurg'
consensu heredum meorum Henrici Biseth filli mei et Manasseri Biset fratris
mei et Ernulphi Biset nepotis mei molendinum de Clyva in perpetuam cum
omnibus pertinenciis suis et consuetudinibus et libetatibus sicut unquam
illud liberius et melius tenui pro salute anime mee et heredum et omnium
parentum meorum et pro anima patris mei Willelmi Biset et matris mee Hawise
et uxoris mee Susanne et pro anima fratris mei Henrici Biset et Ausoldi
fratris mei et Henrici nepotis mei et omnium antecessorum meorum, ita
videlicet ut illud idem¹ molendinum sit semper ad novam ecclesiam
constuendam donec perficiatur. Cum vero perfecta fuerit deinceps in comunes
usus fratrum expendatur retenta tamen dominii mei bladi multura quando² ibi
molere voluero. Noverit etiam universitas v!
> estra me predicte ecclesie reddidisse meipsum vel vivum si voluero vel
tandem mortuum ut ubicumque infra Angliam mortuus fuero ibi habeam
sepulturam. Sub hiis testibus, etc.
>
> 1. MS interlined 2. MS quondo
>
> Best Wishes,
> Phil
>
>

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