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From: (Douglas Richardson)
Subject: Re: Fw: Doug Richardsons old Biset post
Date: 8 Oct 2002 14:22:29 -0700
References: <007301c26e87$bbc22b60$1a690044@tu.ok.cox.net>


Dear Phil ~

Thanks for your good post and the information on the parentage of
Manasser Biset. I appreciate you sharing the charter below with the
newsgroup.

I note that William Biset names his brother , "Ausoldi" in the charter
below. I'm not familiar with the given name "Audoldi." I'm curious
to know if anyone has encountered this unusual name before and whether
they know the vernacular form of this name?

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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("Phil Moody") wrote in message news:<007301c26e87$bbc22b60$>...
> Hi Doug:
>
> Just curious if you received this originally.
>
> Cheers,
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Moody" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 11:12 AM
> Subject: Doug Richardsons old Biset post
>
>
> > Date: 31 Mar 1999 10:59:18 GMT
> > From: Dcrdcr4mailto:
> > To:
> > Message-ID: <>
> > Subject: Re: Biset
> >
> > I have seen the Circencester Cartulary. It's an interesting book. As
> best I
> > recall, it doesn't conflict with anything I posted. It includes
> information
> > on a cadet branch of the Biset family which I believe later died out.
> >
> > I haven't seen any evidence that Manasser Biset was the son of a William
> Biset,
> > although that could be true. I haven't studied the matter to see how
> Manasser
> > obtained his properties. As best I can determine, Massaser Biset was
> older
> > than his brother, William, of East Bridgeford, co. Nottingham, not junior
> as
> > you have it. William's descendants held property of Manasser's
> descendants
> > which suggests to me that Manasser was the head of the senior branch of
> the
> > family and that William's line was a cadet branch.
> >
> > PLM: Doug, I thought I would furnish you with a charter that names
> Manasser mother and father, or more specifically, his brother William
> capentarius Biset. In this charter, you will see that William was there
> father's name, and if this is the case, then it is illogical to assume that
> Manasser was the eldest, since his brother William had their fathers name.
> > I will just furnish the Latin charter for now, because I'm hoping
> someone will be kind enough to furnish us with a literal translation:-)
> >
> > (fo 53v) CONF' Omnibus sancte ecclesie fidelibus clericis et laycis
> Francis et Anglis Willelmus carpentarius salutem. Notum sit vobis omnibus me
> dedisse et concessisse Deo et canonicis ecclesie sancti Petri de Thurg'
> consensu heredum meorum Henrici Biseth filli mei et Manasseri Biset fratris
> mei et Ernulphi Biset nepotis mei molendinum de Clyva in perpetuam cum
> omnibus pertinenciis suis et consuetudinibus et libetatibus sicut unquam
> illud liberius et melius tenui pro salute anime mee et heredum et omnium
> parentum meorum et pro anima patris mei Willelmi Biset et matris mee Hawise
> et uxoris mee Susanne et pro anima fratris mei Henrici Biset et Ausoldi
> fratris mei et Henrici nepotis mei et omnium antecessorum meorum, ita
> videlicet ut illud idem¹ molendinum sit semper ad novam ecclesiam
> constuendam donec perficiatur. Cum vero perfecta fuerit deinceps in comunes
> usus fratrum expendatur retenta tamen dominii mei bladi multura quando² ibi
> molere voluero. Noverit etiam universitas v!
> > estra me predicte ecclesie reddidisse meipsum vel vivum si voluero vel
> tandem mortuum ut ubicumque infra Angliam mortuus fuero ibi habeam
> sepulturam. Sub hiis testibus, etc.
> >
> > 1. MS interlined 2. MS quondo
> >
> > Best Wishes,
> > Phil
> >
> >

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