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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: Vitré ancestry (was CP - ES correction needed?)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 15:36:00 +0100
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In message of 19 Jun, (John Ravilious) wrote:

<snip>

> 1.1 Emma de Dinan[1]
> ----------------------------------------
> Death:18 Dec 1208[4]
>
> Spouse:Robert III, seigneur de Vitre[1]
> Death:ca 1184[4]
> Father:Robert II de Vitre (-ca1161)
> Mother:Emma de la Guerche
>
> Children:Eleanor
> Andrew
>Alan (-1197)

<snip>

>
> 1. G. E. Cokayne, "The Complete Peerage," 1910 -
> The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and
> the United Kingdom.
> 2. Rosie Bevan, "Re: Eleanor de Vitre," August 15, 2002, paper copy:
> library of John P. Ravilious, citations from Rosie Bevan :
> , citation from Victoria County History of
> Northants., vol. 3, p. 181 [which cites Red Book of Exchequer,
> Rolls series, 331-2; Great Roll of the Pipe (Pipe Roll Soc.), xi,
> 119; xii, 54; xxi, p.53].
> 3. K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "Domesday Descendants," The Boydell Press,
> Woodbridge, 2002.
> 4. Mike Talbot, "Vitri," June 24, 1998,
> additional commentary by Todd A. Farmerie ().

I am interested to find clearer evidence that Eleanor de Vitré was the
daughter of Robert (III) de Vitré.

CP does not identify this Robert de Vitré, father of Eleanor.

Mike Talbot wrote in his note of 1998 that he could not find his
sources.

Keats-Rohan indeed has a line of Vitriacos in DD p. 771:

André de Vitré m. Agnes de Mortain and were parents of
|
Robert (II) de Vitré, d. c. 1155, m. Emma de La Guerche and were
parents of
|
Robert (III) de Vitré who d. in 1173

Note that the death date, 1173, of this Robert (III) differs from that
given above of 1184.

Early Yorkshire Charters are mentioned both by CP and DD. I don't have
Vol VI to check on CP's reference but the Vol IV reference in DD gives
no more than the name Roberto de Vitreio as a witness to a charter by
Conan IV, duke of Brittany. (All offers of my missing volumes
1,2,3,6,7,8 and 10 of EYC gratefully received.)

So has anyone got any evidence to identify the Robert de Vitré who was
the father of Eleanor who m. William, earl of Salisbury?

--
Tim Powys-Lybbe
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