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From: Peter Stewart <>
Subject: Re: Vitré ancestry (was CP - ES correction needed?)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:09:05 GMT
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Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> In message of 20 Jun, (Rosie Bevan) wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Tim
>>
>>EYC 6 p. 21 may give the best indication of Eleanor's parentage.
>>
>>"In Nov. 1177 Andrew de Vitre gave to William son of Fulk Paynel,
>>with his sister in free marriage, that moiety of his land in Normandy
>>that was jointly divided by Fulk Paynel and himself, which he had
>>chosen in Andrew's manors of Ryes, Trungy, and Ducy [all in
>>Calvados], with a yearly rent of 20 li. from his manor of Cooling
>>[Suffolk]; among the witnesses being William Paynel, [archdeacon of
>>Avranches], Fulk Paynel, and Fulk Paynel the younger". [Footnote :
>>Cal. Docs. France, no. 1458.]
>>
>>Robert Vitre III was succeeded by Andrew by 1177 - hence the arrangement of
>>the marriage of his sister, Eleanor.
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
> I agree that this fits in well but I have never seen any prior mention
> of Andrew son of Robert (III) (DD says Robt died in 1173). Any sources
> that apply here?

Round recorded a charter of Robert de Vitré giving a rent of 12 pence to
Savigny abbey with the consent of his son André (_Calendar of
Documents..._ no 828). This is undated, placed by Round between a
charter of 1163 and another of 1166-81.

André is also named as Robert's son in a charter of Geoffrey, duke of
Brttany confirming various gifts to Savigny ("Ex dono Roberti de Vitreio
et Andree filii eius..."), see _The Charters of Duchess Constance of
Brittany and her Family, 1171-1221_, edited by Judith Everard & Michael
Jones (Woodbridge, 1999) no. Ge22, p. 25.

Apart from his paternity, there are a number of further details about
him in these ducal charters.

Peter Stewart

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