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From: Tim Powys-Lybbe <>
Subject: Re: Vitré ancestry (was CP - ES correction needed?)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 17:05:59 +0100
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In message of 20 Jun, Peter Stewart <> wrote:

> Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> > In message of 20 Jun, (Rosie Bevan) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Hi Tim
> >>
> >>EYC 6 p. 21 may give the best indication of Eleanor's parentage.
> >>
> >>"In Nov. 1177 Andrew de Vitre gave to William son of Fulk Paynel,
> >>with his sister in free marriage, that moiety of his land in Normandy
> >>that was jointly divided by Fulk Paynel and himself, which he had
> >>chosen in Andrew's manors of Ryes, Trungy, and Ducy [all in
> >>Calvados], with a yearly rent of 20 li. from his manor of Cooling
> >>[Suffolk]; among the witnesses being William Paynel, [archdeacon of
> >>Avranches], Fulk Paynel, and Fulk Paynel the younger". [Footnote :
> >>Cal. Docs. France, no. 1458.]
> >>
> >>Robert Vitre III was succeeded by Andrew by 1177 - hence the arrangement of
> >>the marriage of his sister, Eleanor.
> >
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> > I agree that this fits in well but I have never seen any prior mention
> > of Andrew son of Robert (III) (DD says Robt died in 1173). Any sources
> > that apply here?
>
> Round recorded a charter of Robert de Vitré giving a rent of 12 pence to
> Savigny abbey with the consent of his son André (_Calendar of
> Documents..._ no 828). This is undated, placed by Round between a
> charter of 1163 and another of 1166-81.
>
> André is also named as Robert's son in a charter of Geoffrey, duke of
> Brttany confirming various gifts to Savigny ("Ex dono Roberti de Vitreio
> et Andree filii eius..."), see _The Charters of Duchess Constance of
> Brittany and her Family, 1171-1221_, edited by Judith Everard & Michael
> Jones (Woodbridge, 1999) no. Ge22, p. 25.
>
> Apart from his paternity, there are a number of further details about
> him in these ducal charters.

Thanks. That is more than sufficient for my purposes.

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Tim Powys-Lybbe
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