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From: Gary Felix <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] E3b sub-cluster - Iberian/North African origin
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 03:19:51 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <000001c5f0cc$1b2cc280$6f7ba8c0@thinkerone>


Robert,
as you know many in this E3b Iberian cluster are in the Mexico DNA project. One thing to consider is that your near modal values for the Iberian cluster (which will likely turn out to be M81 pos.) are found in Hammers eastern european Ashkenazi FTDNA database.
Several eastern european Ashkenazi in the FTDNA database are I, 2 and 3 steps from your E3b Iberian modal. In one case where we have a match and a one step mismatch to the FTDNA Ashkenazi database we know at least one step is the fast mutator 385b.

The Ashkenazi and Sephardi are separated by about 1000 years. It is believed the Sephardi settled NW africa before settling Spain. M81 is also found among Jews according to this study by Cruciani
http://www.ftdna.com/pdf/hape3b.pdf
E3b (M81) could be found in 5.3 percent of Turkish Sephardi. Note that this was the only Sephardi sample in the study.

It would appear then that some percentage of this E3b Iberian cluster could be representative of the Sephardi.

Gary
Mexico DNA Project Admin.


Robert Tarín <> wrote:List:



I just completed a study of E3b that I think will be of interest to many. My
study has revealed a separate sub-cluster of mostly Iberian haplotypes with
a North African origin. This sub-cluster is very much distinct from the
majority European E3b and I have also determined a modal haplotype for this
group from the data I used. I have put together my findings in a PDF format
document but do not yet have a website to post it on. Until I do, if you are
interested in it I can email copies. Hopefully I won’t get overwhelmed with
requests until I find a host.



Robert Tarín






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