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From: "Drew Baumann Roberts" <>
Subject: Re: Dal Riata Modal Haplogroup
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 01:04:10 -0800
In-Reply-To: <BKEPIIDHHKEPCMDIEBKBAECNCNAA.andrew.en.inge@skynet.be>


Andrew, Colin, Dale and All-

A few more details about the migrations and exchanges (but few of DNA, perhaps
because this was written in 2001, 4 years ago?)
between the people of Dal Riata in a corner of County Antrim
and the region of Argyle and the people called Picts is mentioned
in "Archaeology Magazine", July-August issue, 2001, pp 46-51.
Titled:
"Scotland's Irish; Tracking the migration of the Gaelic speakers
who crossed the Irish Sea 1,700 years ago and became the Scots",
by Dean R. Snow.

Bit of a theatrical or Journalistic title that...
The Abstract for this article of Volume 54, Number 4, is to be read
here, as I posted earlier:
http://www.archaeology.org/0107/abstracts/scotland.html

Or, if anyone is really interested and has a broadband ISP, I can forward hi-Res.
image scans of these 6 pages upon request.

Colin Ferguson's question,
> If so how can it be that so few of the Dal Riata Modal Haplogroup are
> found in Ireland?
is an interesting one and one that I don't think has a simple answer.

It is known that Cattle raids and Slave hunts and territorial expansions
went both ways, from petty kingdoms in Ire-land and Pict-lands.
It has been suggested that since inheritance of wealth and power
traditionally was handed down in the male lineage in Irish kingdoms
and it was matrilineal in Pict traditional society, the primary direction of
gene-flow appears to have been from Dal Riata (Antrim) to Argyle and western
Scotland. The Pict language and Pict Stones, (akin to Heraldric/Totem markers),
and Pict place names decrease and seem to be absorbed by intermarriage.
This is heavily encouraged and influenced by Christianity,
a most patriarchal religious system, favoring Christian male gene spread over Pagan
male genes, which apparently thrived and flourished and expanded in western
Scotland from the Fifth Century on.

Drew

On 18 Dec 2005 at 19:08, Andrew and Inge wrote:

> Hi Colin
>
> Yes, both spellings are used in English. On the other hand the Dal
> Riata kingdom also included Argyll in Scotland. They were the Scotti.
>
> The question in your seocnd paragraph is the same one people are
> asking. The answer depends mainly upon whether there really are few in
> Ireland or lots, although I should explain that Rob Livingston, who I
> was partly writing in answer to, has suggested that the Dal Riata
> might have come from Scotland originally (as "Cruithni" or Picts) and
> not the other way around - in which case I suppose we would only see
> this DNA signature in a few key families?
>
> Best Regards
> Andrew
>
> From: Colin Ferguson <>
> Subject: Re:
> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 08:20:46 -0800
> References: <>
> In-Reply-To: <>
>
>
> Is the name "Dal Riata" supposed to be synonymous with "Dalriada" the
> ancient Irish territory that corresponds roughly with the modern
> County Antrim in Northern Ireland?
>
> If so how can it be that so few of the Dal Riata Modal Haplogroup are
> found in Ireland? -- Cheers, Colin Ferguson
>
> ______________________________



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