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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] ht35 in Scotland?
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 07:30:16 -0700
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I used to have my R1b modal haplotypes for varieties up at my old website,
but I have not put it up at the new site.

I had found what I called R1b-EE (eastern Europe) with the following modal
shifts from Atlantic R1b

393 = 12
441 = 14
446 = 14
458 = 16
461 = 11 (DNAH convention)
464 = 14-15-16-18


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Subject: Re: [DNA] ht35 in Scotland?

>I just found 11 Eastern Europeans at SMGF who all have the 461 of 11.
> These included the following homelands:
> Croatia, Czech Republic, Russia, Poland, Slovenia and Hungary.
> I agree, there seems to indeed be a strong linkage to the 393 of 12.
> Dave Strong also thinks there is an association with 16 or below
> 16 at 458 and 14 at 464a. The Eastern Europeans I checked today
> all fell in this category except for a Hungarian with 458 of 17.
> You may be one of the true indigenous-type Scots who had a
> change in 393 from 13 to 12. On the other hand, my Yorkshire
> Thornton (reported at SMGF) falls into the Eastern European
> category which I believe could have been introduced by the
> Breuci tribe into Yorkshire during Roman times. They were
> known to have fathered children there. Or the introduction
> into England could have come later than that or there
> could have been a non-paternal event. Obviously more
> information is needed to test this hypothesis.
> I am surprised the U. of Oxford scientists have not studied
> the ht25 population in the British Isles and checked the
> extended markers. Maybe they have done so and I just
> haven't seen it. You would not be able to tell by just looking
> at the markers that Oxford Ancestors checks.
> For example, If you compare your Robbins with Yuran, a Croatian,
> at SMGF using only OA markers, you match 7 out of 9.
> I doubt that Dr. Sykes would have picked up on the vast
> differences that occur between the various R1bs when he
> wrote his last book because the critical markers were
> not evaluated in those studies.
> Even the SNPs are not helpful to distinguish the groups
> and most people will fall into the R1b1c category I
> believe.
> Kathy J.
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