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From: "Elizabeth O'Donoghue" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] There is no WAMH (R1b modal) cluster
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 12:38:27 -0000
In-Reply-To: <BDC8415F-6801-4B7F-BCD9-6B9078FC22D3@vizachero.com>


On 14 February 2007 Vincent Vizachero wrote:

'One thing to keep in mind is that the WAMH was never meant to
represent the modal for R1b1c (much less R1b) as a whole, but merely
a "cluster" of R1b1c found in western Europe.

Analysis of R1b1c in Europe is made difficult, as others have
observed, by the existence of several distinct SNP-defined subclades
that apparently had founders with very similar STR haplotypes - thus
the "shrub not a bush" appearance. STR-based analysis has proven
particularly frustrating in R1b1c as a result.'

I haven't found a WAMH modal for all the 67 markers from FT (pl tell me
where to look if there is one), but one of my Eoghanacht O'Donoghue tribal
clusters 67 marker modal matches the WAMH that I have from Ysearch (C7BED)
exactly except for a DYS456 of 15 instead of 16. Would that be considered
unusual or in any way significant? I've always felt it a hindrance in
separating/identifying trends amidst the other Irish/Gaelic names who are
historically Eoghanacht as well, compared to earlier
Basque/Celtic/Erainn/whatever you want to call them groups who arrived in
Ireland prior to the last 'invasion' of Milesian Gaels. Those previous
groups came from essentially the same place, so their genetic legacy is all
intertwined, no matter what you label them.

Thanks for any input.

Elizabeth





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