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From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Romans in Liqian: a masterpiece of hypocrisy
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:35:50 -0500
In-Reply-To: <BAY137-W974600682C54AAD5AD347CBDF0@phx.gbl>


Judging from the Italian Project's results: If I were looking for Romans in
East Asia, I would at least consider all these haplogroups: E, G, I, J, K2,
R1a, and R1b. Gioiello, can you list all of the haplogroup percentages
presented in the paper?

Although I haven't read the paper because of its cost, the all-or-nothing
approach implied by the abstract seems designed to come to a particular
conclusion. In other words, the abstract seems to indicate that unless the
percentage of potential Roman origin constitutes a majority of the
population, we can simply ignore it.

This is certainly not the approach we would take if the situation were
reversed. For example, if a town in Poland had a legend of Chinese troop
settlement, and then were found to be 8% O3, 5% C3, and 4% D1, would we
simply run a principal components analysis showing that the town is
generally closer to Polish than to Chinese, and then announce that the
legend is false? Would we not consider any East Asian haplogroup
percentages higher than the national average to be significant?

> [mailto:] On Behalf Of
> Gioiello Tognoni
> But the
> masterpiece is in the SNPs tested, which couldn't not being
> published. In the discriminant part to ascertain a possible
> western European Haplogroup (leaving Hgs E and K, that there
> are too), they have tested M45 with M17 for R1a1 (at Liqian
> only 0,011) and then an Hg. p* (xR1a1) in the extreme right
> of the tree, in the place of R1b1c [a 'list der Vernunft' of
> the scholars?], with a presence at Liqian of 0,08, the same
> of the Uygurs (0,082), who have a good dose of Tocharians.

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