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From: "Jack Goins" <>
Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Gideon Gibson
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:32:02 -0400
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From: Barbara Ellison <>

> I guess the only way to know if you were connected to Moses by DNA would
be
> to dig him up and get a sample...That's not a very appealing thought...I
> think I'm going to just stick to genealogy...There's enough paper records
> out there to lead me to the various ancestors I'm looking for, even if it
> takes a lot of years to find them...
> B.E.

## Even if they dug Moses up, I would have to use genealogy to find someone
to give a sample because a sample from me would not take me to Moses. If
they decided to use the Y Paternal dna test I would have to find a great
Riddle uncle or a Riddle male cousin who can be documented to Moses. Which
to me proves DNA is really worthless without family genealogy. Jack


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack Goins" <>
> To: "Barbara Ellison" <>; <>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Gideon Gibson
>
>
> > From: Barbara Ellison < wrotes
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Gideon Gibson
> >
> >
> > > Oh, well, none of that rules out African blood...It does provide
> evidence
> > > that Moses was at least some part Indian...And apparently he was white
> > > featured enough to have been counted as white at times...I always
> believe
> > > the grandparents when they say they were Indian, but being even
> "fullblood
> > > Indian" to them did not mean they were not also racially African
and/or
> > > white...Those who lived with the Tribes didn't think in those terms
> early
> > > on...If they were born to the Tribe, they were "Indian" as far as they
> > were
> > > concerned, and it was true..
> > > B.E.
> >
> > ## I agree and If I understand these dna test correctly, I can have both
> my
> > mtdna (maternal) and the Y (paternal) dna tests done, but those test
> results
> > are only a small twig of who you really are. If you are a female you can
> > only have the mtdna run on your own sample. A person could have several
> > African, Indian, etc grandparents from other family surnames they will
not
> > show up in either test. Also, Ole Moses will not show up in my maternal
> or
> > paternal dna. Jack
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jack Goins" <>
> > > To: "Barbara Ellison" <>; <>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Gideon Gibson
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: Barbara Ellison <>
> > > > To: Jack Goins <>; <>
> > > >
> > > > > I have a question...How did you determine he was only white and
> > > > Indian...did
> > > > > the record itself say he was white and Indian Mulatto? I've not
seen
> > > > > anything like that before, tho I have seen Mulatto Rouge, which
I'm
> > > pretty
> > > > > sure means Black and Indian...
> > > > > Barbara E.
> > > >
> > > > ## Most of those old tax records don't list them as white, This was
> > Moses
> > > > Riddle, he and wife Mary are on a 1755 tax list of Orange County, NC
> > with
> > > > the notation "mulattoes" he is on other tax list with no notation
for
> > > race
> > > > which normally means white. He is also on several land records, one
as
> a
> > > > chainbearer with the notation mulatto, In 1767 he is listed with
this
> > > > notation "an Indian". Descendants from this family claimed to be
> Indian
> > > and
> > > > do have Indian features. Two sons of Moses, One was never listed as
> > > mulatto
> > > > or Indian on any record that I have found. Another son John was on
> > several
> > > > land, tax and Military records and only once with the notation
> Mulatto.
> > I
> > > > was recently informed that a Y dna test from this line showed Native
> > > > American. Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jack Goins" <>
> > > > > To: <>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:43 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Gideon Gibson
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have a distant grandfather listed in tax records 1755-1767 as
> > > Mulatto,
> > > > > > white and "an Indian" Jack
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: <>
> > > > > > To: <>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 8:33 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Melungeon] Re: Gideon Gibson
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a message dated 10/14/2002 6:41:45 PM Eastern Standard
Time,
> > > > > > > writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...In my research of censuses, people who were Indian and
> white
> > > > only,
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > > they were enumerated at all, were enumerated as white...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my research of almost 15 years now I have found people who
> were
> > > > > Indian
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > white, when enumerated, were usually listed as Mulatto. We
must
> be
> > > > > looking
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > different records.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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