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From: "Susan Tilleman" <>
Subject: Re: [PILE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 10:26:55 -0500


This is in reply to James SMEE's Oct. 18, 2006, posting to the PYLE, PILES, and PYLES lists titled "Henderson PILE and Levi PILE of Fentress County," as well as Carl WOODS's Oct. 3, 2006, posting to the PYLE list titled "Re: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN."

See my listing for the family of Levi PILE and his wife Nancy Anna "Anna" MCFARLAND at the following site:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/GENE11-0006.html

Note that the second child of Levi PILE was named Nancy. This child could have been named after a grandmother, her mother, or both. I have only seen one reference to Levi's wife Anna also having the name Nancy. This could possibly be an error. At this point I don't recall my source for that information. This would support Levi possibly being a son of the Nancy PILE found on the 1830 Fentress Co., TN, census. Levi's birth date of 1824 also appears to fit in with this family.

Along this same line of thought, note that Levi's fourth child was named Rebecca, possibly after her maternal grandmother, and his fifth child was named James, possibly after his maternal grandfather.

Also see Carolyn Shannon GENZEL's report titled "Descendants of Conrad Pile," at the following site:
http://www2.1starnet.com/cgenzel/pile/pafg01.htm

Now, this is a bit of a stretch, but Levi's third child, Mary, could have been named after Conrad's wife Mary. If Levi was indeed s/o Nancy, and Nancy was a daughter-in-law to Conrad and Mary, Conrad's wife Mary would have been a great-grandmother to Levi's daughter Mary. This leads me to wonder who Levi's eldest child Pleasant might have been named after. If Levi and Anna were naming children after close relatives, it seems unlikely that they would not have also named their eldest child after a close relative.

As suggested in James SMEE's Oct. 1, 2006, posting to the PYLE list titled "Henderson PILE (c1820-1898)," could Levi's father be an as-yet-unidentified son "born to Conrad in the 1795 to 1802 time frame?" Could this as-yet-unidentified son have been named Pleasant PILE?

Also note that the Daniel PILE who m. Nancy ATKINSON, mentioned in Carl WOODS's posting, is listed on Carolyn Shannon GENZEL'S site as s/o Conrad "Coonrod" PILE (1766 - 1849) and his wife Mary Margaret. The Jacob mentioned in Carl WOOD's posting is probably Daniel's older brother Jacob. Note that both Jacob and Daniel are listed as having migrated to Illinois.

Carolyn Shannon GENZEL's site states the following with regard to Conrad's parents Conrad PILE, Sr., and Margaret, "The Orange County, North Carolina, shows in the tax list 1799 Conrad Piles, Sr. and in 1790 Conrod Pyle Sr. was head of the household in Hillsburough (St. Asaph's) District of Orange County, North Carolina. Also Deed Book 5 page 327 on April 11, 1795 shows Conrod and Margaret Pyle as Grantee. In March 1792, Conrod Pile, Sr. signed his name in Germanic writing. This information was taken from the History of Overton County, Tennessee book Vol. 1 page 440 #671 submitted by John Pyle."

Does anyone have any additional information with regard to Conrad PILE, Sr., his wife Margaret, or their family?

Sue Tilleman
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/index.html

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From:
To:
Sent: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:55:10 EDT
Subject: [PYLE] Henderson PILE and Levi PILE of Fentress County

To Nancy PYLE:

I got a chance to go to the LDS Library yesterday. The following is going
to be a bit confusing, but give it a look. It's a little more info related to
your unplaced Henderson PILE (born c1820) and also the unplaced Levi PILE
(born c1825). Bold font below indicates two items needing some work.

1. I COULD NOT locate a Carr PILE/PILES (any variant) in the 1820 Overton
Co TN census. I did see, on the page following Conrad PILE's entry a Thomas
CARR household (he being age 26 to 45), so the name appears in 1820 Overton Co
TN as a surname, but I couldn't find it as a given name. Let me know if you
have any other ideas, and if you remember where you originally found that
citation for a Carr PILE.

2. I learned that the George HELM we are interested in was not in Fentress
County in 1830, which fits with the info from his 1881 biographical sketch
that he left TN for IL in 1829. There is a George HELM and wife living alone
in 1830 Fentress County, but he is a noted Revolutionary War veteran you can
find there if you google George HELM. In fact, he could have been the father
of "our" George HELM, but that's just speculation and doesn't help the
cause right now.

3. I found George HELM in 1850 Lafayette Co WI, a page away (page 380) from
your Henderson PILE. He is living with his second wife, Margaret, which
fits nicely with his 1881 sketch. He has a daughter born c1835 and a daughter
born c1837, both born WI. Right next door is a household were the wife was
born c1833 in IL. I think she was a third daughter, and that the three are all
daughters of Nancy PILE HELM, who then died in 1840 (per the 1881 sketch).
I mention this because all of this info fits exactly with George's 1881
sketch, that is that he moved to IL in 1829, and then to WI in 1834. Also, in the
1840 census, the George HELM family that lives right next door to Conrad
PILE is exactly the right composition to be "our" George", his wife Nancy PILE,
and three daughters (i.e., the one born 1830 to 1835, and two born 1835 to
1840 as I've noted above). So I'm thinking George HELM briefly came back to
Fentress County from Wisconsin in time for the 1840 census, perhaps because
Nancy was dying (per his 1881 sketch). I now think George HELM should be
sought in the 1830 census in IL (I didn't have time to do that.) to see what the
family looked like then. He is SOMEHOW very important to you, but I still don
't know how.

Since George HELM calls his first wife Miss Nancy PILE (1881 sketch), and
your husband has a DNA match with a known male PYLE of Conrad's, I am thinking
more that that Nancy PILE was not Henderson's mother (though I also am
thinking she was an "unreported" daughter of Conrad PILE that current researchers
have missed).

What I'm also left wondering is whether Nancy PILE in the 1830 Fentress Co
TN census (page 17) is somehow Miss Nancy PILE who married George HELM (but
that would contradict the 1881 sketch which says they married in 1825, and the
sketch seems to be right on every other point) or if the 1830 Nancy PILE is,
coincidentally, a different Nancy PILE, perhaps a young widow. That Nancy
PILE is the household head, age 20 to 30, with a male age 0 to 5 (too young for
Henderson, I guess, but that could be the unplaced Levi PILE), and females
age 5 to 10 and 0 to 5 years. If you (or I) can find George HELM in 1830 IL,
we might answer the question as to whether the 1830 Fentress County Nancy
PILE is a second Nancy or Miss Nancy PILE.

I know this represents a lot of confusion, but some progress. We need to
keep chipping away at this.

Best wishes,

Jim Smee

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From: "Carl Woods" < >
To:
Sent: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:59:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN

My connection is to Daniel Pile, b. in Orange Co., N.C. and married Nancy
Atkinson. Stephen Pile told me that his DNA didn't match with the English
line of Pyles.

Our family stories are that our line went back to PA. and was of German
orgin. And that there was so many different spellings of the name. One of
the reasons was cause of all the teasing about the name. I know that my gr
grandfather change it from Piles to Pyle.

Jacob and Daniel, was really close and in my line is Daniel's son Ratliff
Boone Pile or Piles, was born in Lawrence Co., Indiana, in 1824. He did go
to Ky. and worked. I don't know if he met his wife there or not, but he
married an Aniss Johnson b. 1827 Ky. They was married in Ill. and she also
went by the name Anna.

So I think that Sue may have the right track about Conrad Sr. was born in
Germany or was the one that worked with the English.

Carl Woods
Kansas

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From: "Susan Tilleman" < >
To:
Sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:01:17 -0500
Subject: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN

This is in reply to Jim SMEE's ( ) Oct. 1, 2006, posting to
the RootsWeb PYLE list titled "Henderson PILE (c1820-1898)." The Levi PILE
you mention was my ggg-grandfather. Additional information about Levi and
his family can be found at the following sites:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/GENE15-000
1.html
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PILE/2003-04/1051387819

A photograph of Levi's son George Washington PYLES, can be found on my home
page at the following site:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/PHOTO/0039
photo.html

In summary:
1. I have been trying for almost 25 years to connect my ggg-grandfather
Levi PILE to the Conrad "Old Coonrod" PILE family of Fentress Co., TN. I do
believe there is a connection, but I have not yet identified the exact
connection. Another researcher previously told me that Levi's wife Nancy
Anna "Anna" MCFARLAND appeared in the household of Conrad's son Elijah on
one of the censuses,. Furthermore, back in the 1930s or 1940s, my
great-grandfather told my mother that they were related to Sgt. Alvin C.
YORK of World War I fame. Alvin YORK was a direct descendant of Conrad
PILE. The fact that Levi was born in Tennessee and lived in the same area
as Conrad's family also suggests that he is somehow related to Conrad. As
noted in my previous posting to the PILE list, Levi and his family were
living next-door to Elijah's son John in Fentress Co., TN, at the time of
the 1850 census.
2. As noted in my previous posting, it appears that Levi PILE may have been
a Civil War deserter. I have not yet been able to gather any information
about him since that time. A story has also been passed down through our
family about somebody "going over the hill," but the details have been lost.
3. Also, as noted in my previous posting, it appears that Conrad's father,
also named Conrad, may have been a Hessian mercenary during the
Revoluationary War named PFEIL. This means that this PYLE family is most
likely not related to the PYLE family that is of English origin.

Sue Tilleman
Live Oak, Texas
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/index.html

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From:
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Sent: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:31:17 EDT
Subject: [PYLE] Henderson PILE (c1820-1898)

Hello to Steve PILE,

I've been working with your cousins Nancy and Jack PYLE of Grants Pass, OR
to try to place her Henderson PILE (c1820-1898). She sent me your way.

If I understand correctly, a DNA match between her Jack PYLE and you(?)
would say you and Jack both descend from Conrad PILE. Your descent is from
Conrad
's Jacob PILE. Jack's descent is from Henderson, but it is unclear who
Henderson's father was. Based upon age, we're assuming Henderson was a
grandson to Conrad.

1. Conrad did not leave a will or estate record in Fentress County. Aaron
PYLE's book and Howard PYLE's book name his children (with Howard's
information mostly credited to Aaron, I think). Do you know how the list of
ten
children was developed or proven?

Jacob born c1785 (to IN by 1818)
Daniel born c1787 (to IN by 1818)
Catherine born c1788 (married a RICH)
Delila born c 1790 (married a CROCKETT)
Elizabeth born c1793 (married Henry HELM; seems to be in WI with Henderson
PILE by 1846)
Elijah born c1795
John possibly born c1802
Jehu born c1802 (migrated about 1838 to Stephenson Co IL, which happens to
border Lafayette Co Wisconsin; died in IL in 1882. His will "proves" that
Henderson was NOT his son.)
William born c1810
Martha born ?? married James LATHAM

2. There is quite a gap between Elijah and John PYLE's births (c1795 to
c1802). What would you think about a "theory" that there was a PILE male
born
to Conrad in the 1795 to 1802 time frame, who by c1819 married Nancy ___,
had
Henderson (born c1820) and then Levi PILE (born c1824 and also unplaced).
This male died shortly thereafter, leaving a widow Nancy PILE, who appears
as
a household head in the 1830 census (need to see that record). She remarried
to George HELM, but then herself died c1840 (per an 1881 remembrance in WI
regarding George HELM).

Could "Carr PILE", age 20 to 30 years, of the 1820 Fentress County census be
that male? (I need to see that original census record to see if "Carr" is
some other more recognizable name. I've only seen a transcription.)

I apologize for an overly long e-mail, but I'm hoping it might spark a
response to help Nancy and Jack, and maybe descendants of Levi PILE as well.

Jim SMEE
Pittsburgh PA


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