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From: "Donna Stark" <>
Subject: Re: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:42:59 -0400
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Nancy and Ann are one and the same in genealogy. As a professional
researcher I have found that many times.
Donna----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Tilleman" <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co.,
TN


> This is in reply to James SMEE's Oct. 18, 2006, posting to the PYLE,
> PILES,
> and PYLES lists titled "Henderson PILE and Levi PILE of Fentress County,"
> as
> well as Carl WOODS's Oct. 3, 2006, posting to the PYLE list titled "Re:
> [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN."
>
> See my listing for the family of Levi PILE and his wife Nancy Anna "Anna"
> MCFARLAND at the following site:
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/GENE11-000
> 6.html
>
> Note that the second child of Levi PILE was named Nancy. This child could
> have been named after a grandmother, her mother, or both. I have only
> seen
> one reference to Levi's wife Anna also having the name Nancy. This could
> possibly be an error. At this point I don't recall my source for that
> information. This would support Levi possibly being a son of the Nancy
> PILE
> found on the 1830 Fentress Co., TN, census. Levi's birth date of 1824
> also
> appears to fit in with this family.
>
> Along this same line of thought, note that Levi's fourth child was named
> Rebecca, possibly after her maternal grandmother, and his fifth child was
> named James, possibly after his maternal grandfather.
>
> Also see Carolyn Shannon GENZEL's report titled "Descendants of Conrad
> Pile," at the following site:
> http://www2.1starnet.com/cgenzel/pile/pafg01.htm
>
> Now, this is a bit of a stretch, but Levi's third child, Mary, could have
> been named after Conrad's wife Mary. If Levi was indeed s/o Nancy, and
> Nancy was a daughter-in-law to Conrad and Mary, Conrad's wife Mary would
> have been a great-grandmother to Levi's daughter Mary. This leads me to
> wonder who Levi's eldest child Pleasant might have been named after. If
> Levi and Anna were naming children after close relatives, it seems
> unlikely
> that they would not have also named their eldest child after a close
> relative.
>
> As suggested in James SMEE's Oct. 1, 2006, posting to the PYLE list titled
> "Henderson PILE (c1820-1898)," could Levi's father be an
> as-yet-unidentified
> son "born to Conrad in the 1795 to 1802 time frame?" Could this
> as-yet-unidentified son have been named Pleasant PILE?
>
> Also note that the Daniel PILE who m. Nancy ATKINSON, mentioned in Carl
> WOODS's posting, is listed on Carolyn Shannon GENZEL'S site as s/o Conrad
> "Coonrod" PILE (1766 - 1849) and his wife Mary Margaret. The Jacob
> mentioned in Carl WOOD's posting is probably Daniel's older brother Jacob.
> Note that both Jacob and Daniel are listed as having migrated to Illinois.
>
> Carolyn Shannon GENZEL's site states the following with regard to Conrad's
> parents Conrad PILE, Sr., and Margaret, "The Orange County, North
> Carolina,
> shows in the tax list 1799 Conrad Piles, Sr. and in 1790 Conrod Pyle Sr.
> was
> head of the household in Hillsburough (St. Asaph's) District of Orange
> County, North Carolina. Also Deed Book 5 page 327 on April 11, 1795 shows
> Conrod and Margaret Pyle as Grantee. In March 1792, Conrod Pile, Sr.
> signed
> his name in Germanic writing. This information was taken from the History
> of
> Overton County, Tennessee book Vol. 1 page 440 #671 submitted by John
> Pyle."
>
> Does anyone have any additional information with regard to Conrad PILE,
> Sr.,
> his wife Margaret, or their family?
>
> Sue Tilleman
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message #3 -----
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PYLE/2006-10/1161212110
>
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:55:10 EDT
> Subject: [PYLE] Henderson PILE and Levi PILE of Fentress County
>
> To Nancy PYLE:
>
> I got a chance to go to the LDS Library yesterday. The following is going
> to be a bit confusing, but give it a look. It's a little more info related
> to
> your unplaced Henderson PILE (born c1820) and also the unplaced Levi PILE
> (born c1825). Bold font below indicates two items needing some work.
>
> 1. I COULD NOT locate a Carr PILE/PILES (any variant) in the 1820 Overton
> Co TN census. I did see, on the page following Conrad PILE's entry a
> Thomas
> CARR household (he being age 26 to 45), so the name appears in 1820
> Overton
> Co
> TN as a surname, but I couldn't find it as a given name. Let me know if
> you
> have any other ideas, and if you remember where you originally found that
> citation for a Carr PILE.
>
> 2. I learned that the George HELM we are interested in was not in Fentress
> County in 1830, which fits with the info from his 1881 biographical sketch
> that he left TN for IL in 1829. There is a George HELM and wife living
> alone
> in 1830 Fentress County, but he is a noted Revolutionary War veteran you
> can
> find there if you google George HELM. In fact, he could have been the
> father
> of "our" George HELM, but that's just speculation and doesn't help the
> cause right now.
>
> 3. I found George HELM in 1850 Lafayette Co WI, a page away (page 380)
> from
> your Henderson PILE. He is living with his second wife, Margaret, which
> fits nicely with his 1881 sketch. He has a daughter born c1835 and a
> daughter
> born c1837, both born WI. Right next door is a household were the wife was
> born c1833 in IL. I think she was a third daughter, and that the three are
> all
> daughters of Nancy PILE HELM, who then died in 1840 (per the 1881 sketch).
> I mention this because all of this info fits exactly with George's 1881
> sketch, that is that he moved to IL in 1829, and then to WI in 1834. Also,
> in the
> 1840 census, the George HELM family that lives right next door to Conrad
> PILE is exactly the right composition to be "our" George", his wife Nancy
> PILE,
> and three daughters (i.e., the one born 1830 to 1835, and two born 1835 to
> 1840 as I've noted above). So I'm thinking George HELM briefly came back
> to
> Fentress County from Wisconsin in time for the 1840 census, perhaps
> because
> Nancy was dying (per his 1881 sketch). I now think George HELM should be
> sought in the 1830 census in IL (I didn't have time to do that.) to see
> what
> the
> family looked like then. He is SOMEHOW very important to you, but I still
> don
> 't know how.
>
> Since George HELM calls his first wife Miss Nancy PILE (1881 sketch), and
> your husband has a DNA match with a known male PYLE of Conrad's, I am
> thinking
> more that that Nancy PILE was not Henderson's mother (though I also am
> thinking she was an "unreported" daughter of Conrad PILE that current
> researchers
> have missed).
>
> What I'm also left wondering is whether Nancy PILE in the 1830 Fentress Co
> TN census (page 17) is somehow Miss Nancy PILE who married George HELM
> (but
> that would contradict the 1881 sketch which says they married in 1825, and
> the
> sketch seems to be right on every other point) or if the 1830 Nancy PILE
> is,
> coincidentally, a different Nancy PILE, perhaps a young widow. That Nancy
> PILE is the household head, age 20 to 30, with a male age 0 to 5 (too
> young
> for
> Henderson, I guess, but that could be the unplaced Levi PILE), and females
> age 5 to 10 and 0 to 5 years. If you (or I) can find George HELM in 1830
> IL,
> we might answer the question as to whether the 1830 Fentress County Nancy
> PILE is a second Nancy or Miss Nancy PILE.
>
> I know this represents a lot of confusion, but some progress. We need to
> keep chipping away at this.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jim Smee
>
> ----- Original Message #2 -----
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PYLE/2006-10/1159887544
>
> From: "Carl Woods" < >
> To:
> Sent: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 09:59:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co.,
> TN
>
> My connection is to Daniel Pile, b. in Orange Co., N.C. and married Nancy
> Atkinson. Stephen Pile told me that his DNA didn't match with the English
> line of Pyles.
>
> Our family stories are that our line went back to PA. and was of German
> orgin. And that there was so many different spellings of the name. One of
> the reasons was cause of all the teasing about the name. I know that my gr
> grandfather change it from Piles to Pyle.
>
> Jacob and Daniel, was really close and in my line is Daniel's son Ratliff
> Boone Pile or Piles, was born in Lawrence Co., Indiana, in 1824. He did go
> to Ky. and worked. I don't know if he met his wife there or not, but he
> married an Aniss Johnson b. 1827 Ky. They was married in Ill. and she also
> went by the name Anna.
>
> So I think that Sue may have the right track about Conrad Sr. was born in
> Germany or was the one that worked with the English.
>
> Carl Woods
> Kansas
>
> ...
>
>
> ----- Original Message #1 -----
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PYLE/2006-10/1159797677
>
> From: "Susan Tilleman" < >
> To:
> Sent: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 09:01:17 -0500
> Subject: [PYLE] PILE/PILES Family of Orange Co., NC, and Fentress Co., TN
>
> This is in reply to Jim SMEE's ( ) Oct. 1, 2006, posting
> to
> the RootsWeb PYLE list titled "Henderson PILE (c1820-1898)." The Levi PILE
> you mention was my ggg-grandfather. Additional information about Levi and
> his family can be found at the following sites:
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/GENE15-000
> 1.html
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PILE/2003-04/1051387819
>
> A photograph of Levi's son George Washington PYLES, can be found on my
> home
> page at the following site:
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/PHOTO/0039
> photo.html
>
> In summary:
> 1. I have been trying for almost 25 years to connect my ggg-grandfather
> Levi PILE to the Conrad "Old Coonrod" PILE family of Fentress Co., TN. I
> do
> believe there is a connection, but I have not yet identified the exact
> connection. Another researcher previously told me that Levi's wife Nancy
> Anna "Anna" MCFARLAND appeared in the household of Conrad's son Elijah on
> one of the censuses,. Furthermore, back in the 1930s or 1940s, my
> great-grandfather told my mother that they were related to Sgt. Alvin C.
> YORK of World War I fame. Alvin YORK was a direct descendant of Conrad
> PILE. The fact that Levi was born in Tennessee and lived in the same area
> as Conrad's family also suggests that he is somehow related to Conrad. As
> noted in my previous posting to the PILE list, Levi and his family were
> living next-door to Elijah's son John in Fentress Co., TN, at the time of
> the 1850 census.
> 2. As noted in my previous posting, it appears that Levi PILE may have
> been
> a Civil War deserter. I have not yet been able to gather any information
> about him since that time. A story has also been passed down through our
> family about somebody "going over the hill," but the details have been
> lost.
> 3. Also, as noted in my previous posting, it appears that Conrad's father,
> also named Conrad, may have been a Hessian mercenary during the
> Revoluationary War named PFEIL. This means that this PYLE family is most
> likely not related to the PYLE family that is of English origin.
>
> Sue Tilleman
> Live Oak, Texas
> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/t/i/l/Susan-E-Tilleman/index.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/PYLE/2006-10/1159705877
>
> From:
> To: < >
> Sent: Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:31:17 EDT
> Subject: [PYLE] Henderson PILE (c1820-1898)
>
> Hello to Steve PILE,
>
> I've been working with your cousins Nancy and Jack PYLE of Grants Pass, OR
> to try to place her Henderson PILE (c1820-1898). She sent me your way.
>
> If I understand correctly, a DNA match between her Jack PYLE and you(?)
> would say you and Jack both descend from Conrad PILE. Your descent is from
> Conrad
> 's Jacob PILE. Jack's descent is from Henderson, but it is unclear who
> Henderson's father was. Based upon age, we're assuming Henderson was a
> grandson to Conrad.
>
> 1. Conrad did not leave a will or estate record in Fentress County. Aaron
> PYLE's book and Howard PYLE's book name his children (with Howard's
> information mostly credited to Aaron, I think). Do you know how the list
> of
> ten
> children was developed or proven?
>
> Jacob born c1785 (to IN by 1818)
> Daniel born c1787 (to IN by 1818)
> Catherine born c1788 (married a RICH)
> Delila born c 1790 (married a CROCKETT)
> Elizabeth born c1793 (married Henry HELM; seems to be in WI with Henderson
> PILE by 1846)
> Elijah born c1795
> John possibly born c1802
> Jehu born c1802 (migrated about 1838 to Stephenson Co IL, which happens to
> border Lafayette Co Wisconsin; died in IL in 1882. His will "proves" that
> Henderson was NOT his son.)
> William born c1810
> Martha born ?? married James LATHAM
>
> 2. There is quite a gap between Elijah and John PYLE's births (c1795 to
> c1802). What would you think about a "theory" that there was a PILE male
> born
> to Conrad in the 1795 to 1802 time frame, who by c1819 married Nancy ___,
> had
> Henderson (born c1820) and then Levi PILE (born c1824 and also unplaced).
> This male died shortly thereafter, leaving a widow Nancy PILE, who appears
> as
> a household head in the 1830 census (need to see that record). She
> remarried
> to George HELM, but then herself died c1840 (per an 1881 remembrance in WI
> regarding George HELM).
>
> Could "Carr PILE", age 20 to 30 years, of the 1820 Fentress County census
> be
> that male? (I need to see that original census record to see if "Carr" is
> some other more recognizable name. I've only seen a transcription.)
>
> I apologize for an overly long e-mail, but I'm hoping it might spark a
> response to help Nancy and Jack, and maybe descendants of Levi PILE as
> well.
>
> Jim SMEE
> Pittsburgh PA
>
>
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